Generator Etiquite (test your skills VI)

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Had exactly the same problem at Yarmouth, Pete, when I ran mine for about half an hour at 9:00am, all within Yarmouth rules. Some raggie had a go and threatened to come over and chuck it in the water, I said 'please do, and I'll tie it to your feet as well!'

Wouldn't mind, but could hardly hear the genny above all the clanging halyards, but we are not supposed to mention that /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Hi Geoff,

I was determined not to turn this into a raggie/stinker thing and did not intend to disclose his persuasion.
To be fair when the wind picked up and his shrouds started to clang he did tighten them .............eventually /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Intersting posts..... especially as I'm thinking of investing in a small geni myself after suffering from flat batteries over the w/e.

I think that running a geni after 0900/1000hrs (allows the teenages on board time to crawl from their pits) and before 1200 noon (not wanting to spoil things for those having an early lunch) and then again during a window of between 1400hrs and 1700/1800hrs should not spoil anyones fun or peaceful enjoyment.

I think your kind offer of power to those around you with sufficient leads to connect to your geni a really nice thing to do.

For anyone moored near us the sound of the geni would be the least of their worries compared to a 5 year old playing at being a pirate at full volume!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Hi Geoff,

I was determined not to turn this into a raggie/stinker thing and did not intend to disclose his persuasion.
To be fair when the wind picked up and his shrouds started to clang he did tighten them .............eventually /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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His shrouds were clanking????? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

In the interest of your ongoing education, halyards dear boy....halyards.

Now put the pointy hat on, and stand in the corner! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Oops, I sort of assumed, seemingly correctly.

In my experience Yarmouth on the Gaffer's weekend is anything but peaceful, I keep away. Had a very quiet weekend end in Poole harbour with anchorages to myself, running my genny as much as I like, and worrying no one /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pity we couldn't have had a long lead stretching to Yarmouth. I did hear from our mutual friend, that you'd had a bit of bovver!
 
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seems I have been lucky so far, also had a kipor 2600 and we used to try and ensure we were well away from other boats when we ran it, was not so noisy even when we sat in the cockpit, easier on a river bank i guess to stick it facing away from other boats on a 15 metre lead in a bush somewhere. After eldest son thought filling a petrol can with water was a grand idea (dont ask lol) it was knackered, so purchased a 2nd hand Honda 1 kw, and can run a fan heater on low and the tv when I am forced to and a few lamps. Very quiet and never had a complaint. Just down to being considerate. Surely life is too short and a polite, "any idea how long you will need to run your genny for had a stressy week and would like some peace and quiet" would probably have got a better end result for him rather than high blood pressure, bet he has road rage as well lol

Happy boating /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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I do agree with seemingly the majority, that running a genny in Yarmouth in the evening is not really acceptable, but what amazes me is the aggression that was shown to you at first contact...
I think we are all pretty reasonable and if the approach had been, "sorry to bother you, but I wonder if you would mind....." type of conversation it would have been met with total compliance and probably a bit of a chat in the cockpit.... I think its more an issue of communication. Nowadays communication skills are getting more and more limited. Seemingly most people can express themselves when they have had time to think about it, so in and email...or even in a forum! But person to person they think they have a fight on there hands and get so wound up they end up exploding, thus basically making a complete arse of themselves..

... ohh that was long winded... sorry! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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Chrusty, I just presumed the shrouds were clanging, just prior to the mast falling on the deck. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Not being very mechanically minded, but could you not retro fit a piece of flexible metal pipe to the exhaust outlet, then add some kind of heat resistant hose, so it would exhaust into the water?

How much restriction could the motor cope with?

I have seen this done with dive compressors, thats petrol driven ones. They seem to work OK.
 
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Chrusty, I just presumed the shrouds were clanging, just prior to the mast falling on the deck. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Naaaaa! They make a kind of whining and high pitched humming noise, just afore they go TWANG! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I've seen them get a bit floppy on the leeward side of the mast during a broad reach in strong conditions. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I reckon you blokes put a lot of faith in that mast and rigging.

Anyway enough of this talk, don't you realise where we are?!?!
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Ah yes...right....harumph! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
My main grump with these poxy things (have really cheap nasty one)is that you have no idea how long the vile thing will be pumping its fumes and noise into a previously tranquil enviroment.
Perhaps a felt tipped note on a piece of cornflake packet with the message that...

"This horrid piece of annoying noisy crap will only be left running for max 30 mins and will be turned off promptly at 4.30pm ..or whatever.....
(Thank you for your tolerance)

Ps.And to all you smug gits with posh boats,internal gennys are no better when you are parked next door to one and even worse most are badly maintained diesels this ensures an oily fume filled evening to flavour your relaxing drink/nibbles after the heat of the day. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Us smug gits with in-board gennys, might have a seperator exhaust system, which is queiter than a kettle boilng!! You cant hear mine when you are five feet from it.
Mind you I wouldnt dream of running my gennywhen rafted up or in close proximity with other boats or in the evening, just not on is it!!
 
I'll add my two pennorth too since I've posted on this subject before. I will declare first to being a raggie and well equipped for self sufficient power generation with both solar and wind generators.

Those little petrol or small diesel portables are a pain at the best of times in close company situations! Usually the owners sit it out nicely to remain quiet to them, like on their foredeck or the swim platform but that is not the quiet place for those around. The owner might know too that it will run only for a short time, but those around assume the worst that it will run continuously whilst the crew dissappear to the pub. In my opinion these things are for occasional use only and not in close company situations.

The inboard generators can also be a pain. We had cause to ask one guy to PLEASE shut his off when he was moored directly behind us on a visitor pontoon (we arrived first) parked cockpit to cockpit. The boat was all electric, even for cooking and needed power just to boil a kettle. The generator exhaust was noisy but it was also downright smelly and we had to vacate our cockpit and go below for dinner. Other mobos on the same pontoon, which was not connected to shore so had no power supply, were equally vocal in telling him to turn it off - but apparently mother in law was on board and now wanted to watch her favourite TV programme!

We have also been next to boats with inboard generators that were very silent and fume free, so no problem.

In your case it sounds like you have a very poor on board electrical capacity as nothing on your list takes very much to charge at all and could be done from the ships batteries either direct or via an invertor. We can run a large fridge 24/7, TV when we want as well as the laptop and phone chargers without needing to run our engine and even without the wind generator and solar panels can last 2-3 days on the house battery bank, with the solar and wind we are self sufficient. Have you thought about adding some battery capacity? Mobos at least are running engines as a routine under way so why not use the alternator to charge some bigger batteries to put some amps in stock?

We did have a small petrol genny that we used on our last boat but even then it was used so rarely we took it home, and we anchor out a lot. When we did use it it was only if nobody was anywhere close by and I still hated the noise myself anyway. BTW unless you run one through a smart 220v charger it really is a waste of space because the 12v charging facility of these things is pathetic, usually only 8A at most and in practice much less. At least via 220v and a decent ship's charger it will run at 30/40A and get it over with quicker!
 
Thanks for everyone's replies, especially photodogs which is getting serious consideration.

After a night in darkness without the pretty blue lights on we left Yarmouth for Newton creek where I had to run the generator dry of fuel for storage, not sure if it will get fired up again or not ?

I took my daughter fishing for 1/2 hour or so and returned to the bathing platform, I was pleased it had run out of fuel, while I was mooring the tender I felt hot exhaust and realized it was still running.
It was just about in audible.

We left it on while we had lunch in the cockpit talking over it at normal volume.

I am amazed he could hear it at 50 ft never mind find it an irritant.

As to inboard types, in my opinion they make more noise than this one does and our carbon monoxide detector went off two years ago in Yarmouth when one was at the side of us, I didnt complain, I took it as part of the Yarmouth atmosphere we all enjoy.

Just as a side issue

I think my error was putting it on the bathing platform ladder locker which acted as an amplifier .
 
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I think my error was putting it on the bathing platform ladder locker which acted as an amplifier .

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If you used it in Newton and didn't get any complaints,... could hardly hear it when you were a few feet away from it then I think your bathing platform locker must be acting as a loud speaker!! an easy cure sounds like repositioning & also I liked the idea of a sign stating "Sorry for noise, genny running until **** (Time)", certainly the first steps until someone has another rant at you!! Next step kick it off the boat, claim the insurance and buy an inverter and another battery! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Locate the generator where it cannot be got at.

Remove the exhaust pipe and start it up.

Turn up stereo full blast with some "bangin' toons"

Lock up boat and dissappear for dinner - 2 or 3 hours say.

Watch the melee unfold from safe place /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
That didn't take you long!...........Impressive! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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