wasnotwas
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Gel Coat Damage oops!!!!!!!
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Elessar
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Divemaster1
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Are you sure it is 1 - 2 inches deep (2.5 - 5 Cm) and 4 - 6 in long??
Seems very deep for a "scratch".... unless you refer to how wide the scratch is...
Seems very deep for a "scratch".... unless you refer to how wide the scratch is...
wasnotwas
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Sorry let me explain better there is some spider cracks leading up to impact area a chunk were the boat hit the corner of the jetty this is were there is a chunk taken out of it about the diameter of 4-6 inches and roughly a depth into the gel coat about 2plus inches
wasnotwas
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sorry also let me add this is the corner above water leading from the swim platform
rbcoomer
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Divemaster1
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Someone will be along who know much more than me, but suspect at a depth of 2 inches + (5 Cm), you will have cut into the fibreglass. Your gelcoat will only be a couple of mm thick, so suspect you will have to build this out with something that has some structural strength...
wasnotwas
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Ok then a hole!!!!!!!!! was trying to pretend to myself it wasn't that bad would you have a rough cost to repair this
rbcoomer
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As Divemaster1 says, the gel coat will only be a mm ot two at most and I wouldn't expect the fibreglass to be 2" thick either so suspect it's 'stoved in'. Depending on structure and location, you might get away with filling, a gel coat repair and polish. Alternatively might need cutting out and a patch behind if there are any stresses/flexing at that point in order to prevent a re-occurrence of crazing later. Much of the work is in the finishing I believe, so depth might not make that much difference. Elessar's higher figure would be in line with similar jobs I've seen - perhaps £250 at the top end assuming the colour isn't a hard one to match? I'd cover with waterproof tape so it doesn't get worse with water ingress.
jimmy_the_builder
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If it's a hole all the way through and will need several layers of mat to rebuild properly then I would have thought you were well into the hundreds.
Check your insurance - many policies now have a marina benefits clause where damage on your home berth doesn't have any excess.
Cheers
Jimmy
Check your insurance - many policies now have a marina benefits clause where damage on your home berth doesn't have any excess.
Cheers
Jimmy
Scubadoo
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I had some repairs done on my boat and I paid a professional to sort it, it was approx £250 a day. Depending on where you are, why not call this guy (Rob) and get a free quote, he's done a great job on my boat (south coast area).
CROWHURST SERVICES
MOBILE GRP BOAT REPAIRS
07849 069164
crowhurst.services@btinternet.com
CROWHURST SERVICES
MOBILE GRP BOAT REPAIRS
07849 069164
crowhurst.services@btinternet.com
crazy4557
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That's sounds ruddy expensive £250.00 per day for labour's taking the pi55
SimbaDog
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crazy4557
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My Porsche dealer charges £95 an hour!
He/She needs to, after all look how much investment/overhead they carry compared with a fibreglass repairer. What does he have to invest in..a mask and gloves and a van and then get a £250.00 per day return. Not bad if you can get it.
alruss
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What investment in time and training has he made, the van is of no consequence. The mess and safety issues with fiberglass
are issues that have to be taken into account as well.
are issues that have to be taken into account as well.
itspaul
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You are obviously not self employed when you take into account running costs of van,national insurance ,tax ,public liability insurance etc £250 a day isn't that excessive
rbcoomer
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Whilst I don't want to get drawn into a disagreement about daily rates, I do think the cost for this job is realistic because it's going to need more than one visit (on the assumption that the boat is on the water). If the fibreglass has to be repaired that will need to harden/cool before gel coat is applied, possibly a test to get a colour match and then after another time lapse, cutting and polishing. If the boat's on the hard near to the repairer then cost of multiple visits might not be great as they'll likely fit around other work, but if he/she has to travel each time it could easily get expensive. Materials aren't necessarily cheap either - you get what you pay for... 
henryf
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Indeed.
A little under£60k per year assuming 100% employment allowing for holidays and assuming any trade work pays the same figure.
Off that comes all the boring stuff like a van, insurance, accounts fees, tools, health care and so on.
Am I to assume everyone on here earns under £25k a year.
Either that or they think everyone working on boats should be a bloke they know who works for a few quid a day cash in hand.
Peanuts, monkeys and everyone moans about the **** work done on their boats. The clue is in there somewhere
The problem with gel coat repairs is materials take time to go off especially when it's cold out there. If you took your boat to a place where loads of repairs could be undertaken at the same time like a bodyshop then prices would come down. When someone comes to your berth it takes as long as it takes I'm afraid.
Henry
baldyash
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My Porsche dealer charges £95 an hour!
Local AM dealer works out at approx £165/Hr!!!!!!!!
Marine Reflections
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Some take ten minutes, some ten hours.
If you have the original gel coat (or a custom made match) it will help no end.
Once you have the correct colour and an understanding of how to use the products, repairing your own gel coat is fairly simple, well mixing the products to make them cure is and so is grinding out cracks and filling etc, lots of little tasks, none rocket science.
The wise will ask for an extra tin or two of original gel coat to be included from the build (if new) and new owners would be glad of a tin of colour matched gel with a second hand boat for peace of mind.
The costs of a repair depends on if it's a temporary patch, or a complete invisible repair.
GRP white filler - 1 tube of & 1 credit card type spreader will be all that is required for a budget / temporary fix.
However, as a self employed tradesman, just the kit for gel coat deep repairs alone includes:
Gel coat (multiple containers of, clear, white, off white, blacks, blues etc) flow coat. 100's of custom mixes held in stock for future use.
Pigments, micro balloons, catalyst, styrene, accelerator & acetone, all not cheap,
Consumables - mixing sticks, measuring cups, stirrers, pigment droppers, brushes, masking tape/film, sanding discs 100's different grades (some at £5 a pop), wool pads, backing pads, compounds, polishes and many others.
Tools - Dremel, carbide bits, attachments (router, snake etc) silent DA, / polisher, heat gun, heat lamp, sun gun (colour check light) thermometer, hair dryer, heater, mobile air con unit, access platform, access ladder, inflatable tender for working in water, tons more.
Then there is 'the van' I class that as a tool, as I do the phone, the mac, cameras, sat nav and so on. Each have their own respective costs, insurance, tax on the van, maintenance, the diesel!!
Protective clothing - full face 3m with gas and vapour carts, 3m suits, nitrile gloves, separate particle filters, goggles, glasses, hats, boots, hi-vis, life jacket prob loads more for winter / summer specific.
Other costs - Professional indemnity and public liability for £10Million (in the marine trade), insurance, tax, external contractor marina fees, electricity fees, communication time, quotation time, even invoicing time, there's plenty going on other than on the repair.
Holidays, sick days - I wish!
Ordering goods, products, waiting for the postman before being allowed to leave, sitting in the van during a downpour cursing yourself for not having it shrink wrapped. Or finding out the gel coat mixer at the GRP supplies sold you gel coat and not flow coat whilst your waiting for it to cure and so on.
My hairdresser (he from Barcelona you know) charges £20 per cut, he takes 10-20 minutes to cut my hair. £60 - £120 per hour ... with scissors!
If that bothers you, my solicitor friend took home £28k last month.... with a pen and some reading glasses! the cheek..
If you have the original gel coat (or a custom made match) it will help no end.
Once you have the correct colour and an understanding of how to use the products, repairing your own gel coat is fairly simple, well mixing the products to make them cure is and so is grinding out cracks and filling etc, lots of little tasks, none rocket science.
The wise will ask for an extra tin or two of original gel coat to be included from the build (if new) and new owners would be glad of a tin of colour matched gel with a second hand boat for peace of mind.
The costs of a repair depends on if it's a temporary patch, or a complete invisible repair.
GRP white filler - 1 tube of & 1 credit card type spreader will be all that is required for a budget / temporary fix.
However, as a self employed tradesman, just the kit for gel coat deep repairs alone includes:
Gel coat (multiple containers of, clear, white, off white, blacks, blues etc) flow coat. 100's of custom mixes held in stock for future use.
Pigments, micro balloons, catalyst, styrene, accelerator & acetone, all not cheap,
Consumables - mixing sticks, measuring cups, stirrers, pigment droppers, brushes, masking tape/film, sanding discs 100's different grades (some at £5 a pop), wool pads, backing pads, compounds, polishes and many others.
Tools - Dremel, carbide bits, attachments (router, snake etc) silent DA, / polisher, heat gun, heat lamp, sun gun (colour check light) thermometer, hair dryer, heater, mobile air con unit, access platform, access ladder, inflatable tender for working in water, tons more.
Then there is 'the van' I class that as a tool, as I do the phone, the mac, cameras, sat nav and so on. Each have their own respective costs, insurance, tax on the van, maintenance, the diesel!!
Protective clothing - full face 3m with gas and vapour carts, 3m suits, nitrile gloves, separate particle filters, goggles, glasses, hats, boots, hi-vis, life jacket prob loads more for winter / summer specific.
Other costs - Professional indemnity and public liability for £10Million (in the marine trade), insurance, tax, external contractor marina fees, electricity fees, communication time, quotation time, even invoicing time, there's plenty going on other than on the repair.
Holidays, sick days - I wish!
Ordering goods, products, waiting for the postman before being allowed to leave, sitting in the van during a downpour cursing yourself for not having it shrink wrapped. Or finding out the gel coat mixer at the GRP supplies sold you gel coat and not flow coat whilst your waiting for it to cure and so on.
My hairdresser (he from Barcelona you know) charges £20 per cut, he takes 10-20 minutes to cut my hair. £60 - £120 per hour ... with scissors!
If that bothers you, my solicitor friend took home £28k last month.... with a pen and some reading glasses! the cheek..
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