Gas Safe Certification For Your Boat... (Requested by Nav & Gen Insurers)

Networks said:
My insurers have always asked for a gas certificate every 3 years, which also is the time the flexible pipes should be changed. This was no problem in Plymouth, Tim Beck sorted it all for me, out here in Sicily I am finding it impossible to locate a suitably qualified LPG gas installer that can / will issue a certificate. It's looking like I might have to go back to the insurers and say "you tell me a suitable company". I doubt they will though. So if anyone knows a company either in Sicily, Southern Italy or Western Greece it would help.
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You could try Malta , for sure there are qualify Gas installers there , try the Malta yacht yard on manoel Island
 
Networks said:
My insurers have always asked for a gas certificate every 3 years, which also is the time the flexible pipes should be changed. This was no problem in Plymouth, Tim Beck sorted it all for me, out here in Sicily I am finding it impossible to locate a suitably qualified LPG gas installer that can / will issue a certificate. It's looking like I might have to go back to the insurers and say "you tell me a suitable company". I doubt they will though. So if anyone knows a company either in Sicily, Southern Italy or Western Greece it would help.
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Try changing insurers; might be easier. Not all ask for such things by a long chalk.
 
Re braided hose, pros and cons. I took the advice of a forumite, and for the hose to the cooker, where there was a possibility of chafe, used the orange high pressure hose, but wound clear "spiral electric cable tidy" round it. Seems like the best of both worlds, because the hose is protected, can be seen and inspected, and is cheaper than braided.
 
NormanS said:
Re braided hose, pros and cons. I took the advice of a forumite, and for the hose to the cooker, where there was a possibility of chafe, used the orange high pressure hose, but wound clear "spiral electric cable tidy" round it. Seems like the best of both worlds, because the hose is protected, can be seen and inspected, and is cheaper than braided.
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Good tip-thank you.

I shall get some and use it to protect my gas hose behind the cooker.
 
Camelia said:
I had my gas system replaced last winter. The original orange hose (1981) was as good as the day it was installed.
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What tests did you have done on it to establish that?

A year or so ago I tried to use a piece of hose which must have been left over from a previous hose change. Unused any way and on the shelf in the garage away from extremes of temperature and UV light.

It looked as good as the day it was bought. ........... It split as I pushed it onto the nozzle!!!


It may last longer that 5 years but 30 years is seriously pushing your luck, your safety , your crew's/ family's safety and that of others in your vicinity.

Your post does you no credit whatsoever
 
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Tranona said:
No, braided armoured hose is perfectly acceptable
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Give it up.

Every time the subject of gas hose comes up, Seajet tells us that braided armoured hose is illegal. You or I or someone else points out that it isn't, sometimes with a link to the BSS or other documentation. He goes quiet.

Then on the next thread the same cycle happens again.

I guess it's worth posting the counter so that some newbie reader isn't misled and unnecessarily worried by the misinformation, but it's demonstrably pointless trying to re-educate Seajet on this matter, so just a simple statement of fact should do.

Pete
 
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Seajet said:
Tranona,

it is you who once again wilfully ' misunderstood ' my description.

I had that boat - and gas hose - in 1986-89 and funnily enough did not take a photo of the hose !

It was indeed armoured with spiral stainless steel, which was common in those days - and I have heard it is rightly banned nowadays.

I would suggest your braided covered hose suffers the same inherent problem; how do you visually inspect the important rubber inner ?
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Look. Just forget it! You are completely out of your depth.

What don't you understand, as myself and others are telling you? Braided reinforced hose is approved and perfectly acceptable and was fitted by a qualified gas fitter. Do you really think that I would fit something to my boat that is not the right thing? I have no idea what you used in 1986-90 and it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

As is so often the case, you are simply WRONG.
 
Seajet said:
Tranona,

as usual you resort to shouting, and as usual it is you who are wrong.

how about answering my question, how do you visiually inspect your gas hose, if you ever do, or do you just scream " I must be right ! " at it ?!

While you're catching your breath, how often do you replace it or does that require hiring someone in ?
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Why are you so ignorant? You DO NOT HAVE A CLUE what you are talking about!

Why am I wrong? and about what?

I had a complete gas installation done by a certified gas fitter in accordance with best practice in order to comply with coding requirements. An armoured hose was used from the fixed pipe to the cooker. This is common practice if there is a possibility of chafe. The installation is regularly inspected to keep its certification and the hose will be changed at the recommended interval.

Why do I have to repeat things for you and why do you seem incapable of understanding simple language.

Perhaps as Pete suggests I should just give up as nothing seems to penetrate.
 
Seajet said:
Tranona,

as others have noted in PM's you simply have an agenda to disagree with anything I say; OK by me, bring it on and expose yourself for the buffoon you are !

Why on earth should a ' professionally fitted ' gas hose chafe, and let's hear how often you replace it; apparently it's beyond you so you have to get someone in, and judging by what you say he must still be laughing his socks off...
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Look. Why don't you read what other people say in public. The hose on my boat is the same as many others use and perfectly acceptable.

I only disagree with people who are WRONG - and then only when they are WRONG.

If you had any idea about this subject you would know that if a boat is coded it needs a gas safety certificate and has to be PROFESSIONALLY checked to stay coded. Mine is due its check in June. I have already told you that the hose will be replaced at the recommended interval. It has to be to retain its certificate.

How many more times do I have to tell you before it penetrates?
 
Seajet said:
If you think a braided armoured hose which precludes any visual inspection is safe and chafe on it acceptable, spiffing - just don't tie up anywhere near me !
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I refer you to the Boat Safety Scheme, Part 7.9. LPG Hoses and hose requirements. Section 7.9.1 says, amongst other things: All LPG hoses must be marked to BS 3212 type 2 or equivalent. Nowhere does it say that armoured, braided hoses do not comply with the scheme.

Socal page http://www.socal.co.uk/gas-hose-bs3212-2-1-4-x-610mm-armoured-outer.html
 
Armored (braided) hose to BS3212/2 is freely available and fully complies with BSS and RCD and is certainly not "illegal" however I do take the point about difficulty of inspection.
 
I suspect that your opinion of braided gas hose is either out of date or incorrect. In motorhomes braided stainless steel hose with no rubber content whatsoever is widely understood to be superior to the rubber equivalent for high pressure use, i.e. from the bottle to the regulator. The vast majority of modern caravans and motorhomes are fitted with these, and the differences between boat and caravan owners being what they are, these hoses are probably never replaced. Braided hoses are not used on the low pressure side as in these vehicles there is no movement, so they are hard piped. However, if they are suitable for bottle pressure it seems unlikely that they would not be suitable for 30 mBar.

See http://www.thegaslowcentre.co.uk/ma...-fit-stainless-steel-0-45-metre-gas-hose.html
 
vyv_cox said:
I suspect that your opinion of braided gas hose is either out of date or incorrect. In motorhomes braided stainless steel hose with no rubber content whatsoever is widely understood to be superior to the rubber equivalent for high pressure use, i.e. from the bottle to the regulator. The vast majority of modern caravans and motorhomes are fitted with these, and the differences between boat and caravan owners being what they are, these hoses are probably never replaced. Braided hoses are not used on the low pressure side as in these vehicles there is no movement, so they are hard piped. However, if they are suitable for bottle pressure it seems unlikely that they would not be suitable for 30 mBar.

See http://www.thegaslowcentre.co.uk/ma...-fit-stainless-steel-0-45-metre-gas-hose.html
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That looks like a reinforced version of "tracpipe" I would not fit that to a gimballed cooker, the swinging about would work harden it. The only recommended flexible hose is to BS 3212-2 or BS EN1763.
 
Seajet said:
Tranona,

the only thing which ' penetrates ' is that you are a nasty vindictive piece of work, have no knowledge of this section of engineering ( or probably any other judging by your posts ) and incompetent to check the gas hose yourself.

If you think a braided armoured hose which precludes any visual inspection is safe and chafe on it acceptable, spiffing - just don't tie up anywhere near me !

I have to ask - again - why you think chafe on the gas hose is a normal acceptable thing and how often do you have to pay to have it changed, as you're incompetent yourself...
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Andy, you may wish to retract those statements.

Tranona has approved materials fitted to his boat by a professional, and replaced when required by coding requirements. He does this not because – as you allege – he is nasty, vindictive, incompetent or lacks knowledge (and I'm sure none of these things are true), but because his boat is coded, and to retain coding it needs to have its gas installation professionally installed using approved materials, professionally inspected and maintained to a stated schedule, and professionally signed off.

You may be able to maintain your gas installation DIY, but this is not an option for Tranona with the coding level he seeks for his boat. End of, as everybody else on this thread seems to realise.
 
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Seajet said:
As I understand it and I asked this last weekend, flexible gas hoses have a 5 year duration from the date printed on them.

I always use the high pressure orange stuff, as it's basically low pressure with a protective cover, and change it every year.


This is because I once had a gas fire on another boat due to the hose inside metal ' armoured hose ' failing, I believe that armoured stuff is illegal now.

Gas hose is cheap from caravan shops, it would be folly not to change it regularly.
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Seajet that's ridiculous.If you have so little confidence in your gas installation you are doing something wrong.There's no way you should need to replace the gas hose every year unless you have it routed across the floor & everybody is trampling over it.
A practical common sense inspection should be all that is necessary & if you replace the hose every five years that should be more than enough as these things tend to have a good margin of error built in to comply with British Standards.
 
RogerMayne said:
That looks like a reinforced version of "tracpipe" I would not fit that to a gimballed cooker, the swinging about would work harden it. The only recommended flexible hose is to BS 3212-2 or BS EN1763.
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I agree. I am not suggesting that it be used for a cooker, simply informing that braided stainless steel hose is perfectly capable of retaining gas without the intervention of a rubber lining. Although it has to be said that there is plenty of movement of the hose in a moving vehicle.

Edit: I just looked up Tracpipe, and it is nothing like these stainless flexible hoses. I have two of them on my motorhome and it is indistinguishable by eye from the type used for stove connections.
 
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vyv_cox said:
I suspect that your opinion of braided gas hose is either out of date or incorrect. In motorhomes braided stainless steel hose with no rubber content whatsoever is widely understood to be superior to the rubber equivalent for high pressure use, i.e. from the bottle to the regulator. The vast majority of modern caravans and motorhomes are fitted with these, and the differences between boat and caravan owners being what they are, these hoses are probably never replaced. Braided hoses are not used on the low pressure side as in these vehicles there is no movement, so they are hard piped. However, if they are suitable for bottle pressure it seems unlikely that they would not be suitable for 30 mBar.

See http://www.thegaslowcentre.co.uk/ma...-fit-stainless-steel-0-45-metre-gas-hose.html
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Strange that all the bottle to regulator pigtails I have are rubber only and I have not seen many braided ones, equally the filling hose for my fixed bottle is also rubber and only rubber was offered to me. I have seen braided pigtails but they are not common, and as for replacing them most caravans and motorhomes have a habitation service every year which includes a full gas check by a certified mechanic, so hoses will be replaced as needed
 
maxi77 said:
Strange that all the bottle to regulator pigtails I have are rubber only and I have not seen many braided ones, equally the filling hose for my fixed bottle is also rubber and only rubber was offered to me. I have seen braided pigtails but they are not common, and as for replacing them most caravans and motorhomes have a habitation service every year which includes a full gas check by a certified mechanic, so hoses will be replaced as needed
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I have been using the braided type ever since I had a van with a bulkhead regulator (10 years), to avoid the problems described in the link and in many magazines. In 40 years of motorhome ownership I have never had a habitation service.
 
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