Gas Safe Certification For Your Boat... (Requested by Nav & Gen Insurers)

[langstonelayabout]

Thought I'd drop a word to the worldly; my insurer, the Nav & Gen, wanted a Gas Safe certification done on my Eolia 25's installation.

I've found a qualified Gas Safe installer that understands boats and their installations. Mine passed, all OK.

He is based near Portsmouth and is mobile, so if you are looking for a cert and peace of mind (and your insurer wants sight of the certificate) please PM me and I'll send you his contact details.

Just a satisfied customer...

 

[VicS]

Thought I'd drop a word to the worldly; my insurer, the Nav & Gen, wanted a Gas Safe certification done on my Eolia 25's installation.

I've found a qualified Gas Safe installer that understands boats and their installations. Mine passed, all OK.

He is based near Portsmouth and is mobile, so if you are looking for a cert and peace of mind (and your insurer wants sight of the certificate) please PM me and I'll send you his contact details.

Just a satisfied customer...

Oh dear! My gas locker drain wont pass.

Is your Gas safe fitter actually certified to work firstly on lpg and secondly on boats. The problem is that not many are.

 

[langstonelayabout]

Oh dear! My gas locker drain wont pass.

Is your Gas safe fitter actually certified to work firstly on lpg and secondly on boats. The problem is that not many are.

Yes, he has a specific certification on his card to enable him to work both boats and LPG.

He's on the Gas Safe website and he's also being doing gas installations for years.

Gas locker drain? He had some great stories of some installations, one of which was where the gas cylinder was loose next to the boat's engine, all accessible via the cockpit locker...

 

[Nicholas123]

Another solution.Don't insure with Navigators & General.Job done

 

[Otter]

Oh dear, I hope this doesn't bring about a rush of I-told-you-so posts about how good Origo's are

 

[NUTMEG]

Another solution.Don't insure with Navigators & General.Job done

Insured my CW28 with Nav&Gen just last week. No mention of gas at all. No survey either. Good price and usual good service.

 

[Seajet]

I know ' Langstonelayabout ' and he's no berk when it comes to installations.

However I've not heard before of a gas safety check being insisted upon for a salt water boat, my lot - Haven - have never mentioned it, which is a shame as I've gone to a lot of trouble to follow all the recommendations !

Maybe it's one of those clauses in the small print one only learns if surviving the ' Kaboom ! ' ?

 

[Tranona]

Gas safety certificates are becoming far more common - essential for a coded boat. So it is not surprising that insurance companies might ask for one. Maybe because the boat is old or more likely because a surveyor has commented on the gas installation. Does not seem to be any pattern - bit like conditions of replacing rigging after 10 years.

 

[vyv_cox]

or more likely because a surveyor has commented on the gas installation.

This is the example I have come across. If a surveyor mentions a problem he sees on the vessel the insurance company will inevitably wish it to be fixed. Not an insurance company requirement specifically, but surveyors nowadays are likely to pick up all sorts of things they may not like or have read may be a problem. One example is a gas fired water heater, they are condemned by just about every surveyor but the reality is they are probably no more dangerous than heating water in a kettle.

 

[Networks]

My insurers have always asked for a gas certificate every 3 years, which also is the time the flexible pipes should be changed. This was no problem in Plymouth, Tim Beck sorted it all for me, out here in Sicily I am finding it impossible to locate a suitably qualified LPG gas installer that can / will issue a certificate. It's looking like I might have to go back to the insurers and say "you tell me a suitable company". I doubt they will though. So if anyone knows a company either in Sicily, Southern Italy or Western Greece it would help.

 

[wooslehunter]

I've been with N&G since I bought the boat. As far as I can remember, I've never told them I have an Origo, but they've never asked for a gas cert.

 

[Boathook]

My insurers have always asked for a gas certificate every 3 years, which also is the time the flexible pipes should be changed. This was no problem in Plymouth, Tim Beck sorted it all for me, out here in Sicily I am finding it impossible to locate a suitably qualified LPG gas installer that can / will issue a certificate. It's looking like I might have to go back to the insurers and say "you tell me a suitable company". I doubt they will though. So if anyone knows a company either in Sicily, Southern Italy or Western Greece it would help.

I always thought that it was 5 years for a hose. I was also told by a calor gas expert that the 5 years was not legal but a suggestion and was based upon the hoses being outdoors in sunlight.

 

[Tranona]

This is because I once had a gas fire on another boat due to the hose inside metal ' armoured hose ' failing, I believe that armoured stuff is illegal now.

No, braided armoured hose is perfectly acceptable - and desirable in certain applications such as mine where chafing is a potential problem. Only requirement is that it can be visually inspected.

 

[saltylegs]

Tranona,

if spiral metal ' armoured ' gas hose is acceptable please send a link, but I would advise anyone NOT to buy and fit the stuff, and certainly replace it if already fitted; it is precisely because it it can't allow visible inspection of the important bit - the rubber hose - that is the reason it is banned to my knowledge.

Even if it should be alllowed on Planet Tranona, it would be a very bad idea; I have had a gas fire due to this stuff failing, have you ?

"Armoured" hose is not "illegal"
"Spiral metal" hose is something completely different and I have not come across it. However you may be referring to, "corrugated stainless steel pipe" which I don't think should be used for connecting appliances.
You can use armoured or plain hose (to BS 3212/2. ie. not the low pressure type)

salty

PS mine is armoured (and dated 3 years to go) and I am also gas safe registered for just about all stuff LPG and Nat gas.

 

[sailorman]

Thought I'd drop a word to the worldly; my insurer, the Nav & Gen, wanted a Gas Safe certification done on my Eolia 25's installation.

I've found a qualified Gas Safe installer that understands boats and their installations. Mine passed, all OK.

He is based near Portsmouth and is mobile, so if you are looking for a cert and peace of mind (and your insurer wants sight of the certificate) please PM me and I'll send you his contact details.

Just a satisfied customer...

I have "peace of mind" i installed my own

 

[sailorman]

As I understand it and I asked this last weekend, flexible gas hoses have a 5 year duration from the date printed on them.

I always use the high pressure orange stuff, as it's basically low pressure with a protective cover, and change it every year.


This is because I once had a gas fire on another boat due to the hose inside metal ' armoured hose ' failing, I believe that armoured stuff is illegal now.

Gas hose is cheap from caravan shops, it would be folly not to change it regularly.

the date is manufacture date, what happens if the retailer has had it in stock for 4 yrs

 

[Searush]

Thought I'd drop a word to the worldly; my insurer, the Nav & Gen, wanted a Gas Safe certification done on my Eolia 25's installation.

I've found a qualified Gas Safe installer that understands boats and their installations. Mine passed, all OK.

He is based near Portsmouth and is mobile, so if you are looking for a cert and peace of mind (and your insurer wants sight of the certificate) please PM me and I'll send you his contact details.

Just a satisfied customer...

I'm sorry but there is no requirement for a gas safety certificate for seagoing yachts. Only if you go on the Inland waterways do you need a GSC. You might have been better explaining this to your insurers and asking them why they were making an unnecessary demand on you. The chances are that some clerk in the office doesn't understand the situation & has applied the wrong criteria to your boat. Or are you a regular river user?

No doubt you are happy with your bit of paper, but it will not necessarily mean that your boat will not explode if, say a light blows out or something fails.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Tranona,

if spiral metal ' armoured ' gas hose is acceptable please send a link, but I would advise anyone NOT to buy and fit the stuff, and certainly replace it if already fitted; it is precisely because it it can't allow visible inspection of the important bit - the rubber hose - that is the reason it is banned to my knowledge.

Even if it should be alllowed on Planet Tranona, it would be a very bad idea; I have had a gas fire due to this stuff failing, have you ?

Tranona said braided, not spiral. And specifically mentioned use where chafe might be a problem. Seems entirely sensible to me.

The only spiral metal 'armoured' hose I'm aware of is used in domestic showers, with removable shower sprays. That is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed near gas, nor - I suspect - is it warranted for gas, unlike braided gas hose.

 

[Tranona]

Tranona,

if spiral metal ' armoured ' gas hose is acceptable please send a link, but I would advise anyone NOT to buy and fit the stuff, and certainly replace it if already fitted; it is precisely because it it can't allow visible inspection of the important bit - the rubber hose - that is the reason it is banned to my knowledge.

Even if it should be alllowed on Planet Tranona, it would be a very bad idea; I have had a gas fire due to this stuff failing, have you ?

Once again showing your ignorance - or are you wilfully misunderstanding? It is NOT spiral but braided armoured hose. Fully approved by both the British Standard and the BSS. Purchased from Calor on the advice of a certified gas fitter, fitted by him and he issued the gas safety certificate.

Is that enough for you?

 

[[70521]]

I always thought that it was 5 years for a hose. I was also told by a calor gas expert that the 5 years was not legal but a suggestion and was based upon the hoses being outdoors in sunlight.

I had my gas system replaced last winter. The original orange hose (1981) was as good as the day it was installed.