Gas Hose Question

[KAL]

Can anyone advise what sizes of gas hose are available for a fairly standard installation on a yacht/boat, apart from 8mm? I have a couple of Camping Gaz 907s to which an unregulated adaptor attaches, which then is connected to a thick-walled but quite small diameter gas hose by means of some sort of female threaded adaptor with a fulham-type spout at the other end. This then feeds a bulkhead mounted regulator.

I need to replace the unregulated adaptor and the hose, but I need to know what size to ask for.

One more - is it possible to use a normal camping gaz regulator, attached to normal 8mm hose, feeding the bulkhead regulator? (i.e. regulated supply feeding regulator). I don't want to pull it all apart as all that needs replacing is the unregulated adaptor and hose.

Many thanks.

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Sorry, I don't know but I've found these people to be helpful http://www.bes.co.uk/
They have all sorts of adapters and pipes on their site which may, or may not , help.

Look under "valves and fittings" in the LPG section for starters. They have unregulated adapters there.

 

[VicS]

Can anyone advise what sizes of gas hose are available for a fairly standard installation on a yacht/boat, apart from 8mm? I have a couple of Camping Gaz 907s to which an unregulated adaptor attaches, which then is connected to a thick-walled but quite small diameter gas hose by means of some sort of female threaded adaptor with a fulham-type spout at the other end. This then feeds a bulkhead mounted regulator.

I need to replace the unregulated adaptor and the hose, but I need to know what size to ask for.

One more - is it possible to use a normal camping gaz regulator, attached to normal 8mm hose, feeding the bulkhead regulator? (i.e. regulated supply feeding regulator). I don't want to pull it all apart as all that needs replacing is the unregulated adaptor and hose.

Many thanks.

Puzzled by your description

I would expect a "Camping Gaz cylinder adapter" valve. eg BES part no 16643 ( £10.13 ) or GasBOAT 4010 ( £19 ) or Hamilton GAZ1 (£5.52)

That would have the normal butane cylinder thread on the outlet (21.8 LH ??)

A high pressure butane cylinder pig tail eg BES 16640 or Hamilton HA005 would then connect to the regulator fitted with an M20 inlet connection.

I would only expect a Fulham nozzle connection on the low pressure outlet from the regulator


But But But if you are using only Camping gaz you can use a Camping Gaz regulator ( and there is an Annex M marine one) fitted directly to the cylinder. Your LP hose then connects to that via a Fulham nozzle

 

[BERT T]

GAS.

I found this on the web about a week ago.
Fully certified to EN 12864 annex M (marine environment)
Fitted with 75 mbar over-pressure relief valve
Vent orifice with 1/8 BSP thread with downward facing nozzle
Vent orifice with anti-moisture and contaminant screen
Re-enforced diaphragm
Marine grade materials
IT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE STANDARDS THAT ANY SALTWATER VESSEL WITH A GAS SYSTEM THAT IS NOT FITTED WITH AN EN 12864 ANNEX M APPROVED GAS REGULATOR IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH BS EN ISO 10239 AND THEREFORE THE VESSELS INSURANCE COULD BE INVALID!
The regulators and hose are available here: http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatalog/Sirius_Marine_Gas_Regulator_-_Campingaz.html

 

[alteredoutlook]

cant help you with all the exact details but a hot tip is that the orange flexible tubing all has expiry date info on it. Be careful that a swindlery doesn't fob you off with old stock!

 

[Caer Urfa]

QUOTE=KAL;4146440]Can anyone advise what sizes of gas hose are available for a fairly standard installation on a yacht/boat, apart from 8mm? I have a couple of Camping Gaz 907s to which an unregulated adaptor attaches, which then is connected to a thick-walled but quite small diameter gas hose by means of some sort of female threaded adaptor with a fulham-type spout at the other end. This then feeds a bulkhead mounted regulator.

I need to replace the unregulated adaptor and the hose, but I need to know what size to ask for.

One more - is it possible to use a normal camping gaz regulator, attached to normal 8mm hose, feeding the bulkhead regulator? (i.e. regulated supply feeding regulator). I don't want to pull it all apart as all that needs replacing is the unregulated adaptor and hose.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]

Hi Kal

I fitted all new regulater and piping from Hamilton Gas products http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatal...?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=feedmanager

You can buy the 'certified gas pipe' by the meter plus all other bits you need , I fitted them all for my camping gaz bottle system back to the gas bubble detector, the gas bottle regulater I ordered also has a on/off switch.

From the 'bubble detector' to the gas oven is all 8mm copper piping to the final flexable 'braided pipe' connection to the cooker.

Hope this might help

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[KAL]

Puzzled by your description

I would expect a "Camping Gaz cylinder adapter" valve. BES part no 16643 ( £10.13 ) or GasBOAT 4010 ( £19 )

That would have the normal butane cylinder thread on the outlet (21.8 LH ??)

A high pressure butane cylinder pig tail eg BES 16640 would then connect to the regulator fitted with an M20 inlet connection.

I would only expect a Fulham nozzle connection on the low pressure outlet from the regulator

I've got one of those adaptors as well Vic, but the one on board has a slightly different thread, so the BES one won't fit, neither will a W20 pigtail. The original has a nozzle a bit like this, attached to the adaptor.

The boat is 33 years old, so I suppose they might be imperial fittings, but I'm not familiar with all the hose sizes. I know 8mm is fairly standard now, but

 

[pvb]

IT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE STANDARDS THAT ANY SALTWATER VESSEL WITH A GAS SYSTEM THAT IS NOT FITTED WITH AN EN 12864 ANNEX M APPROVED GAS REGULATOR IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH BS EN ISO 10239 AND THEREFORE THE VESSELS INSURANCE COULD BE INVALID!

This isn't true and is unnecessary scare-mongering.

 

[Seajet]

I also have a relatively new 'M' certified regulator for insurance and self preservation requirements.

Caravan shops sell the flexible hose to go to the gymballed cooker and the gas bottle, it has the year printed on it, in this case black hose, I change it every winter - had a fire on another boat due to the flexible hose to the cooker rupturing.

Referring to that fire, I think it's illegal now anyway but in case you come across it, avoid ' armoured ' hose with a spiral coil of metal around it, you can't see the condition of the important inner bit or a date stamp.

The spec M regulator seems a good idea for several good reasons like survival and being insured, cost me a bit under £30 from Hamiltons.

 

[pvb]

cant help you with all the exact details but a hot tip is that the orange flexible tubing all has expiry date info on it. Be careful that a swindlery doesn't fob you off with old stock!

Not actually a hot tip, as the hose has the date of manufacture on it! The Boat Safety Scheme doesn't stipulate a set life for flexible hose, so there isn't an "expiry date" as such, although replacement 5 years after manufacture is often recommended.

 

[VicS]

I've got one of those adaptors as well Vic, but the one on board has a slightly different thread, so the BES one won't fit, neither will a W20 pigtail. The original has a nozzle a bit like this, attached to the adaptor.

The boat is 33 years old, so I suppose they might be imperial fittings, but I'm not familiar with all the hose sizes. I know 8mm is fairly standard now, but

Been editing my original post a bit

That adaptor is to fit on the outlet of the Annexe M regulator .... for some reason the spec requires themto have an M20 outlet

I dont know what Bert will say........ but Id only use a Fulham nozzle for the LP hose connection and made up pigtails for Hp connections

 

[BERT T]

This isn't true and is unnecessary scare-mongering.

You should tell that to these people then, as that's where I found the information.

Leisure Products (Bolton) Ltd

We are manufacturers of gas and electrical equipment for the marine, recreational vehicles and domestic settings.

We have over 30 years experience in the supply and design of cooking equipment.

 

[pvb]

You should tell that to these people then, as that's where I found the information.

Leisure Products (Bolton) Ltd

We are manufacturers of gas and electrical equipment for the marine, recreational vehicles and domestic settings.

We have over 30 years experience in the supply and design of cooking equipment.

Doesn't matter who said it, it's still unnecessary scare-mongering. There's no basis on which not having the latest regulator could make your insurance invalid. Sadly, some people will believe such rubbish.

 

[VicS]

Doesn't matter who said it, it's still unnecessary scare-mongering. There's no basis on which not having the latest regulator could make your insurance invalid. Sadly, some people will believe such rubbish.

I'd not risk asking the insurance co about it though!

 

[pvb]

I'd not risk asking the insurance co about it though!

Why? Do you really think insurers are going to invalidate the cover just because a boat doesn't have the latest type of gas regulator? 99% of boats would instantly be uninsured!

 

[BERT T]

Why? Do you really think insurers are going to invalidate the cover just because a boat doesn't have the latest type of gas regulator? 99% of boats would instantly be uninsured!

I have spoken with the claims department at Towergate Insurance this afternoon and under the duty of care clause to maintain the boat in a proper state of repair and seaworthiness, if the policy holder was aware that the incorrect gas regulator was fitted to their craft then yes they would refuse the claim. That means that anyone who has read this thread is aware of this problem and should check and take action accordingly. Therefore I don't think my previous posts on this subject can be classed as scare-mongering.

 

[VicMallows]

if the policy holder was aware that the INCORRECT gas regulator was fitted to their craft

Saying the regulator is 'incorrect' is quite different from saying that it does not confirm to the latest best-practice advocated in the BS.

In your original post the terms: "in our interpretation" and "could" are also relevant.

 

[BERT T]

Saying the regulator is 'incorrect' is quite different from saying that it does not confirm to the latest best-practice advocated in the BS.

In your original post the terms: "in our interpretation" and "could" are also relevant.

I can only say show this thread to your insurance company and get their opinion!

 

[pvb]

I have spoken with the claims department at Towergate Insurance this afternoon and under the duty of care clause to maintain the boat in a proper state of repair and seaworthiness, if the policy holder was aware that the incorrect gas regulator was fitted to their craft then yes they would refuse the claim. That means that anyone who has read this thread is aware of this problem and should check and take action accordingly. Therefore I don't think my previous posts on this subject can be classed as scare-mongering.

It's ridiculous to suggest that anything other than the very latest gas regulator is "incorrect". Don't you have anything more serious to worry about?
.

 

[BERT T]

It's ridiculous to suggest that anything other than the very latest gas regulator is "incorrect". Don't you have anything more serious to worry about?
.

I never mentioned the words "latest gas regulator" I did state a gas regulator fully certified to EN 12864 annex M (marine environment).