Galley upgrades for my Feretti 480

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A couple winter projects are in the planning where some advice and points of views would be highly appreciated.

1. I would like to replace the original hob, a 3 burner gas + 1 electric combo, with a ceramic or induction hob. I would like to go for induction but is there a risk for possible magnetic interference. From the Princess website I can only see that ceramic hobs are installed. Is this the case, any reason for this if so? What brands are typically used by the main builders?

2. I will also install a dishwasher and my question is about the waste water outlet. How is this arranged on factory installed washers, is this routed to the black water tank or straight out or maybe through the grey water shower sump?
 
On my Ferretti I have a 4 burner ceramic Gaggenau and FWIW, I'm not sure the value of induction as I have heard mixed reviews. I believe the factory installed dishwasher is plumbed straight out, as are the galley sinks. Everything else goes to the grey / shower sump. I can double check when I am there in a few weeks.
 
1. just stick with what you've got, 3+1 is the connoisseur choice.
Gas is in fact better in all respects, but it's nice to have one electric just in case you'll run out of gas and don't have a spare gas bottle onboard.
Don't listen to scaremongers, a lightning strike is more likely than a problem with gas.
Otoh, you would hate being forced to turn the genset on just for cooking.

2. I've seen both straight out and grey water tank, never black tank. 'Fiuaskme, I prefer straight out (also for washing machine, btw).
 
baylabayla3288 said:
A couple winter projects are in the planning where some advice and points of views would be highly appreciated.

1. I would like to replace the original hob, a 3 burner gas + 1 electric combo, with a ceramic or induction hob. I would like to go for induction but is there a risk for possible magnetic interference. From the Princess website I can only see that ceramic hobs are installed. Is this the case, any reason for this if so? What brands are typically used by the main builders?

2. I will also install a dishwasher and my question is about the waste water outlet. How is this arranged on factory installed washers, is this routed to the black water tank or straight out or maybe through the grey water shower sump?
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You need to check that whichever make of hob (especially induction) work on your generator if you have one fitted. You can get an issue with the hob not working because the frequency of the electricity generated by the generator is out of tolerance of the hob.

Regards Anthony
 
ARE said:
You need to check that whichever make of hob (especially induction) work on your generator if you have one fitted. You can get an issue with the hob not working because the frequency of the electricity generated by the generator is out of tolerance of the hob.

Regards Anthony
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As usual ARE is spot on here. I have a de Dietrich induction hob, fine on shorepower but can be problematic on generator - we sometimes have to artificially load the the generator to get the hob to work.
 
MapisM said:
Don't listen to scaremongers, a lightning strike is more likely than a problem with gas.
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Not sure I agree, I have known quite a few incidents local to me, plus just type "boat gas explosion" into google!

I've had gas on a few boats and it's just another thing to worry about. I'd rather run the gennie.
 
I am a great fan of induction hobs but they are a little tempramenal.

At home the Miele touch panel is mildly annoying. On the s65 we had induction and it worked 90% of the time. I don’t recall if issues were when on generator.

On the s58 I was going to change the halogen one for induction but decided against it. Halogen heats up at a similar speed to induction ( little slower) but does not cool down at all well and the plate is physically hot unlike induction.

If I didn’t have halogen already I would probably buy induction but I would say the decision is marginal. We had no interference issues and as a domestic appliance I would imagine all are well suppressed.

As to brand ... find the cheapest that will fit !
 
Thank you all for the good comments!
The main reason for going away from the gas hob is that I actually had a nasty small leak in one of my previous boats. The leak did not occur at normal pressure but when testing with slightly higher pressure it occured. The “bubble monitor” did not show any problem. One joint under the hob leaked due to a small crack. There was also a smell present occationally which led ust to investigate further. Luckily nothing happened that time. So far we have only used the electric side of the hob in the Ferretti. Indeed the generator is needed for using the hob but in this case the generator is silent enough so the disturbance is very limited. The microwave, kettle and toaster can be run from the 2KW inverter and because of these the hob is not used that much.

My main question actually was if there is a risk for interference with nav equipment onboard like compass, auto pilot, VHF etc in particular when using an induction hob. I understuud that these can produce strong magnetic fields. As said for some reason eg Princess is mentioning only ceramic hobs on their web site.

Regarding grey or black tank dishwasher discharge at least here in Scandinavia it is an increasingly hot topinc what you can discharge. Especially normal dishwasher powder detergents are a no no to let out. Is there a variant that is biodegradable and ok to discharge? Black water tanks are mandatory here and it would be interesting to know if the mainstream builders are using the black water tank for this for ther new boats. My boat’s washing machine is discharging straight out thou.

The compatibility of the electricity produced by the generator is a good point. I have a 10KW kohler and I had an issue with the Mastervolt charger that required a firmware a update and adjustment of the genset in order to work.
 
Our dishwashers and Washing machines have all gone over the side.

Most black water tanks on a decent size boat are only 2-300lts. If you discharged the washing machine or dishwasher ( washer 50 litres dishawather prob less say 25)? It would fill up fast !
 
markc said:
Not sure I agree, I have known quite a few incidents local to me, plus just type "boat gas explosion" into google!

I've had gas on a few boats and it's just another thing to worry about. I'd rather run the gennie.
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Well, I guess you might find interesting stories googling "boat lighting strike" as well... :D

Oh, and genset aside, both swmbo and several friends of mine who are great cooks tell me that they prefer gas, hands down.
Which is more than enough, in my (very personal) priorities list, to make an exception to the "safety first' principle... :cool:
 
baylabayla3288 said:
A couple winter projects are in the planning where some advice and points of views would be highly appreciated.

1. I would like to replace the original hob, a 3 burner gas + 1 electric combo, with a ceramic or induction hob. I would like to go for induction but is there a risk for possible magnetic interference. From the Princess website I can only see that ceramic hobs are installed. Is this the case, any reason for this if so? What brands are typically used by the main builders?

2. I will also install a dishwasher and my question is about the waste water outlet. How is this arranged on factory installed washers, is this routed to the black water tank or straight out or maybe through the grey water shower sump?
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We have a Bosch ceramic hob on our Ferretti which I believe is the original. My SWMBO says it works very well (once she understood the German instruction manual) although I must admit it is a mystery to me. I have not noticed any interference with anything when it is on. If you want the exact model no let me know

Again on my boat the dishwasher discharges straight out the side along with the galley sink but all other sinks/showers go to the grey water tank

I disagree with Mapism on the issue of using the generator. For me, it is a small thing to switch on the generator to use the hob (or indeed any other 220V appliances) and a small price to pay for not having the hassle of gas on the boat. I've had gas on many boats in the past and its a PITA to change the bottle regularly and it always seems to run out at the wrong moment like in the middle of cooking dinner. Give me an electric hob and generator every time
 
MapisM said:
Oh, and genset aside, both swmbo and several friends of mine who are great cooks tell me that they prefer gas, hands down.
Which is more than enough, in my (very personal) priorities list, to make an exception to the "safety first' principle... :cool:
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A British person would never say that which probably explains why there are thousands of Italian restaurants in the UK and no British restaurants in Italy;)
 
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A British person would never say that which probably explains why there are thousands of Italian restaurants in the UK and no British restaurants in Italy;)
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LOL, I suppose that also explains why many IT boaters have a twin gas bottle setup, allowing you to switch PDQ to the spare bottle as soon as the current one runs out, just by turning a T valve... :cool:

And before you mention it: getting stuck when the second bottle runs out is not an option, because forgetting to replace the empty bottle ASAP is never going to happen.
I can think of a few boating mates who are more likely to forget to refill fuel tanks...! :rolleyes:
 
We had replaced the 3 burner +1 with an induction .
It’s a strange make 3 ring jobbie - reckoned to designed for boats .
Not sure what,s it’s boaty USP ? .I suspect it’s a low watt useage emphasis?
I did hand the project over a boat sparky who did a survey of the genie out put and other AC usage .
Buy like everybody else we went to kitchen shops and eyed up the usual brands 60 cm x 60 cm x approx 3–5 cm deep .

We are chuffed to bits , it’s responds right away to a + or - and is not hot when the pans are off .
Not sure why gas from a cooking point of view is better ?
I can’t remember the make something like ASC or SAC ,it’s just 3 letters - tbo never heard or seen them in electrical mega stores .
€1000 fitted and degassed .
The2x gas bottle locker in the cockpit is the mooring line locker now .So you get a bit more storage degassing too .

We have a small 3.5kv geny and it runs the Aircon 42000 btu and the hob at the same time at anchor .

Sometimes you may want to microwave part of the meal so geny on -=anyhow and of course batt topping up , so may as well time it all for meal time .
I mean what’s the point on an extended trip away from the home port with multiple night s @ anchor , cooking with gas then running the geny to batt top and cool down the boat with the Aircon ?
 
MapisM said:
LOL, I suppose that also explains why many IT boaters have a twin gas bottle setup, allowing you to switch PDQ to the spare bottle as soon as the current one runs out, just by turning a T valve... :cool:
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You see that would never occur to a British boater to do that. If the gas ran out we'd head for the nearest Italian pizza take away;)
 
Thank you for this info. It seems Induction is in use as well. This is good news as an induction variant fits best in the cut out of the granite countertop of my boat. I will have a look at the Trident branded stuff also.
 
Induction has clear advantages both from safety and convenience point of view. Based on no reported interference problems here this will most likely be my choice.
 
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Can’t comment on the suitability of induction hibs for a boat but we have had a range cooker with induction hob at home and it is superb. Easily as controllable as gas but cleaner - spills don’t tend to get ‘wedlded’ on because the hob area itself isn’t hot. Only minor issue is that pan will slide easily so if used at sea might cause the occasional issue?
 
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