Furuno Navnet v Raymarine hsb2

[Magnum]

Are there any advantages between these two systems?

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[Nickcf]

No experience on Navnet but I've used HSB2 with dual station for two years (10" RC631+ chartplotter and 10" RL80C+ radar unit). Display quality is excellent even in sunlight although I did have a problem with the flybridge unit with condensation inside the screen but Raymarine fixed it under warranty.
The HSB2 interface is not (apparently) very fast and it can take a few seconds to rewrite the display on the remote unit after (say) a range change. Slightly irritating when one is used to 3GHz pc technology but not really a problem in practice!
The user interface (and handbook) is very good and intuitive with the possible exception of selecting routes and reversing them. Had to resort to the book for that one! Also a peculiarity on the architecture that a route enterd in one display cannot be accessed from the other as they have their own stored route lists... Neither of these are major issues though once you get used to them.
Never regretted the purchase, particularly when caught in 50metre visibility fog off the Channel Islands recently when it was a life saver!

nick



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[mjf]

Both will look nice when the displays are framed in Gold on the F/B and main helm....


Seriously


I faced this issue when spec my own boat last year.

Finally went Furuno for a number of reasons.

1. The 10.4 display was landscape style (now raymarine do this layout too)
2. I noticed that the 'big' boats all seem to have Nav Net in the main
3. BP on their new buildings in the far east spec furuno gear.

I have now since used both systems on various boats and I actually like both.


The Furuno is IMHO more difficult to 'learn' but is really excellent once mastered.

I would suggest as you have already used some newish gear you stay with what manufacturer you have on your 42.

There is so much to learn on a new boat that anything to reduce the list is worth while.....


If you PM I can advise you some more (and who to fit it at the factory)

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[jfm]

1.They're both good, top stuff. I have used both. If buying now, with Ray HSB2 (not the prevous HSB, pre 2003) I would get Raymarine, and did
2. Answer may be dictated by shape -landscape vs portrait, which will fit you dash?
3. Both have good daylight displays, are well supported by worlwide agents etc
4. Furuno offers more gizmo options like a video card to wathc DVDs etc
5. If you order Furuno you must specifiy which chart format you want or they will default supply navionics or whatever is instock. Order CMap (imho) and order it in the standard NT+ chip format, not the special Furuno chip format
6. where the Raymarin really scores is a brilliantly clever and intuitive soft-key based user interface. You just never need to read the manuals, even more complex stuff like marpa is intuitive. This is brilliant stuff, few electronics firms get this so right. The furuno will require more consulting the manual
7. Also Raymarine is easier to interface to other Raymarine gear using their seatalk, which is a plug and ply 3-wire system. Easier to use than NMEA
8. I dont agree the slow computer speed of Raymarine. We have 3 networked big screens and other seatalked stuff and the reponse is very fast, as fast as furuno
9. Landscape/portriat is personal choice. Of course Portrait becomes landscape if you split into 2 horizonatal windows, and vice versa. It is mentioned in another post that Raymarine now do landscape. They dont, those C series screens are not networkable by HSB 2 so you cannot transmit video from screen to screen. You need the HSB2 stuff, portrait, on a P67 because you will need multi screens networked
10 Raymarine's telephone help is first rate. you get to talk to somone who knows their stuff and has kit in front of them so they can pres s same buttons as you. Dunno about furuno, they might be good too.
11. Aesthetically, furuno looks much better in the dash. Raymarine look a bit industrial/flash gordon imho

Let us know the full spec when you order it. some of the peripheral upgrades like gyro heading sensors are needed to make this stuff work well

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[Nickcf]

jfm

maybe the write time on my display is incorrect somehow..- if you run a HSB2 display which is remote from the C-Map master what is the typical write time when you change range on a chart? I'm assuming it's a HSB2 speed issue on mine because when I change range on the master unit it is definitely faster than on the remote. What units are you running on HSB2?

nick

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[Wiggo]

Nick, read the manual again - it is possible to share waypoints and routes over HSB. You need to set the one you created the rout on to 'send over HSB' and the other to receive...

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[tome]

I've heard a rumour that Raymarine are launching a new (D series?) display at LIBS which will handle networking.

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[jfm]

We have an RL80CRC downstairs networked to two RL80C screens upstairs. I cant answer your question. I need to time it and let you know!

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[Magnum]

I have a Furuno Navnet system now:-

Furuno 1933C 10.4" Radar/Plotter at lower helm
Furuno GP1900C 10.4" Display at upper helm
Furuno 3.5ft Open Array
Furuno BBWGPS GPS Receiver
Furuno ETR6/S Network Sounder
Furuno FAX30 Network Weatherfax/Navtex Receiver

It is a powerful system and very expandable and I do like it, however, the menu system is not that intuitive and I'm wondering what the Raymarine system is like in this area.

I have a blank canvas for the new boat and Navnet 2 will be launched at the LIBS in January with some enhanced functionality.

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[mjf]

Then you have the same set up as me. I was going to fit 10.4 up top too as its such a nice unit but frankly the helm up there was going to look a mess and over cluttered.... You could fit two at each helm on the P67 - then have landscape plotter and seperate radar at both stations. I think the SIBS boat had this?

What I did was spend absolutely hour upon hour at LIBS 2003 using both systems and seeking advice from whoever would give it (not aware of this forum then of course....).

The other posters comments are well noted/reasoned too. I am however sure Raymarine were going to go 'landscape' as a manufacturer was telling me recently that they were pissed off as they made a moulding and designed their helm around the existing Raymarine size.

If you have mastered the Furuno - congrats. Even now I still need to refer to the book sometimes for help. They are complex. My units (I think they all are)- are stand alone but do 'speak' to each other when/if you want them to ie waypoints, routes etc. I even do elementry chart corrections on mine.


The Raymarine is much much easier to master - is it better once you can use both- Who knows?

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[jimg]

On my HSB2 system the remote changes range just as fast as the master and I can use the route from the master on the remote no problem, including track and autopilot control.

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[Magnum]

I note there is no integrated Raymarine weatherfax/navtaex unit available, as with Furuno.

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[jfm]

Depends what you mean by integrated. The info flow is one way mostly, ie your GPS sends the boat's position TO the navtex, so the navtex can maintain a log and give you weather for the right part of the world. In which case the nmea183 output from raymarine kit will work just fine.

Or am i missing something re weather interface?

A big point from the posts above is user friendliness. It seems Raymarine is better there. I'm certain, you will hardly ever need to read the manual with a Raymarine, it makes complex stuff easy. but it does look like something from the Flash Gordon prop department

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[Magnum]

The Weatherfax/Navtex unit, which is a hidden black box, interfaces with the Navnet system and hence displays data on any screen. Does the Raymarine system do that?

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[jfm]

Dunno. I think not. So another point (well half a point I'd say) in favour of furuno.

Assuming you have time to read the manual to figure out how to do this!

I prefer paper navtex because it prints a tickertape log every 15mins which is a big safety feature if your electronics die (lightening?) and you suddenly have to dead reckon. If your electroncs all died, would you always know your lat/long if you didn't have a paper navtex? I wouldn't

 

[seashaw]

I think the new displays are going to be the 'E' series which are what the the 'C' series should of been. I would pretty p***off if I'd just bought a C series.
Overall I think the Furuno is a better system even if it is a bit harder to learn and get to grips with. Lots of old Furuno equipment around because of the build quality and reliability.
Mark

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[Wiggo]

chatting to a Raymarine chap in the spring, it seems that they were having a deal of trouble coming up with a replacement networking standard to HSB2 that could cope with the data rates and EMI requirements at the time they launched the C series. If the E series is networkable, then that will become the replacement for the RL stuff. C was only ever intended to be standalone.

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[jfm]

Sounds plausible seashaw. The non-networkable C series seems a really dud product imho. Fine say for a 20foot boston whaler, but on what other boat would you be happy not to be able to add another screen?

Do you know the launch date of the E stuff? Any advance info or pictures?

 

[Wiggo]

erm, any non-flybridge boat, perhaps? Don't know of many 'real world' boats with enough room for two 8" displays at the helm.

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