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[Sticky Fingers]

Yes! Very interesting. Semi D? Seems to have 1-4 of above... What would its ‘competitors’ be?.

Yes it's Semi D.
Don't know about the CE, it may well be a B.

 

[Greg2]

You'd have to go see one. 'Build quality' is pretty subjective. Beneteau is a factory production builder but that doesn't mean that the build quality is 'worse' or 'better' than anything else.

I think I would say that the build quality is okay but it isn’t on a par with the likes of Elling, Broom and many Dutch steel boat builders. We looked at a Swift Trawler and I would describe it as a nice boat but more basic in terms of quality and I wasn’t sure how it would stand up to prolonged use. Nice boats though.
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[Sticky Fingers]

I think I would say that the build quality is okay but it isn’t on a par with the likes of Elling, Broom and many Dutch steel boat builders. We looked at a Swift Trawler and I would describe it as a nice boat but more basic in terms of quality and I wasn’t sure how it would stand up to prolonged use. Nice boats though.
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Agree for sure. It's a volume boat. Not a bad thing, and it offers a huge amount of space for the length.

 

[Bouba]

I think I would say that the build quality is okay but it isn’t on a par with the likes of Elling, Broom and many Dutch steel boat builders. We looked at a Swift Trawler and I would describe it as a nice boat but more basic in terms of quality and I wasn’t sure how it would stand up to prolonged use. Nice boats though.
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The swiftly42/4 is a mass production boat, there are many about, i must have seen half dozen in the last two days (as well as several other smaller swiftys). But I’ve never heard of one falling apart, or indeed any horror stories (dealer horror stories for sure, but not boat). So many around that there is an ‘established’ second hand price depending on year and options

 

[Seejay]

You'd have to go see one. 'Build quality' is pretty subjective. Beneteau is a factory production builder but that doesn't mean that the build quality is 'worse' or 'better' than anything else.

Very clear and many thanks. I really like the Beneteau, and the Hardy with the aft cabin. Do you know other boats of the same ilk I should add to the search list?

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Very clear and many thanks. I really like the Beneteau, and the Hardy with the aft cabin. Do you know other boats of the same ilk I should add to the search list?

Well. You are drifting some way off your original spec so the world's your oyster really. How about any of these which meet some but not all of your wants...

Dutch steel, loads, but to give you an idea look at anything by Valkkruiser or Stevens or Linssen or and Wim Van der Valk
Semi Ds, Sea Ranger, Humber, Grand Banks, Ocean Alexander, Trader, DeFever, Mainship, Sabreline, Aquastar
Trawler Ds, Fisher, Colvic, DeFever, Moody, (bit big maybe), Nordhavn (out of budget), Nordic Tug

 

[vas]

Dutch steel northern designs and med don't seem right to me!
aft cabin at 42-45 ft means aft deck is way too high for going in and out of the water (which is what you inevitably do on a med boat) plus you feel vulnerable and too high up in a med mooring scenario (forget any form of privacy)

V.

 

[Bouba]

Dutch steel northern designs and med don't seem right to me!
aft cabin at 42-45 ft means aft deck is way too high for going in and out of the water (which is what you inevitably do on a med boat) plus you feel vulnerable and too high up in a med mooring scenario (forget any form of privacy)

V.

Also aft cabins can be unfriendly to dogs, but there are some aft cabins with steps to the swim platform rather than a ladder

 

[Portofino]

If you live in Italy ( our boats in Liguria ) then simply pop down to the coast and do a bit of dock walking.
Example ...here Sciallino 40 Fly, 199.000 € | iNautia.com

I think it’s best to always ( despite the fuel burn ) to have the ability to plane .
We sometimes run at D speed , to extend the trip time and save fuel , when the sea state dictates .
But there are times when we gun it , the ability to move 100 miles in 3 hrs is not to be under estimated between the big islands.
Out run weather .
Where are you thinking of berthing it ?

 

[Portofino]

Hi, First time poster (well I was an assiduous contributor here 15 years ago with my previous boat but no longer have company email I used!). Looking for a return to the sea with a full displacement boat for mostly coastal extended summer med cruising for early retirement next year. Previously had a wooden 37‘ semi displacement fly bridge for 8 years, now looking for a full displacement boat for 6-8 knot cruising. 42-45 feet. Don’t like the tug/forward-leaning pilot house look and also wary that semi-displacement boats with eg 2x350 hp engines etc are thirsty, over powered, less stable at displacement speeds and was warned here that running my Volvo TD 260hp engines would clog them at continual low speeds, plus a sunseeker etc at 6 knots doesn't quite seem right.....
Anyway, budget around £200k.
Living in Italy so would preferably buy in Med, but would travel. Like the look of Linssen style etc but never been on one and concerned about interior hull rusting In salt water, excessive rolling and limited seafaring ability (although I must say that we would have plenty of time and modern technology to avoid weather - I still remember a paper French weather forecast 20 years ago giving a 2/3 which turned out to be a 6 with waves onto flybridge....!). Grand Banks etc are really semi-displacement as are Broom, Aquastar which also seem dated ( as opposed to ‘classic’). First Mate would appreciate outdoor space (her only other musts are 3 cabins, separate shower room and A/C over heating...).
I just can’t seem to identify a boat for my needs.... Any and all suggestions/comments very welcome!

I,ll put this up as ....look closely at the pics
Itama 46 Used Boat for Sale 2003 | TheYachtMarket

From the above Post .
Seakeeping is a none issue theses , the faster you go ( “ in a 6 with waves “—- ) the better the ride .....the quicker you can tuck up .
Or stay out and enjoy .*
Out side space
Sun pad
easy access to the sea .
simple maintenance....proven engines and all other systems ....one tiny example the switch’s are silver plated contacts aeronautical standard in the saloon console .
They don’t roll much even @ D speed .Very low CoG and wide chines .

Of course every boat is a compromise ,No hard top ....but in the Med it’s an open life anyhow .

* Windy one W/E and out pontoon was busy as all the guys from up N ( Turin + Milan ) had descended .
Thing it is was 36 in the shade , white horses big waves .We were the only boat that went out .The look on there faces when we causally returned @4pm .
We beat up wind 8 miles to an island found shelter in the lee anchored , then a down wind run back .
Ok there was a bit of spray on the glass to wash down , but the F what ever did not stop us .I have gotten real lazy now only read a forecast once a week .I know I should do I little more .

 

[longjohnsilver]

Well. You are drifting some way off your original spec so the world's your oyster really. How about any of these which meet some but not all of your wants...

Dutch steel, loads, but to give you an idea look at anything by Valkkruiser or Stevens or Linssen or and Wim Van der Valk
Semi Ds, Sea Ranger, Humber, Grand Banks, Ocean Alexander, Trader, Defever, Mainship, Sabreline
Trawler Ds, Fisher, Colvic, Moody (bit big),

Some DeFevers are semi d, but many more, including ours, are pure displacement.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Some DeFevers are semi d, but many more, including ours, are pure displacement.

OK thanks, I've edited it

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Dutch steel northern designs and med don't seem right to me!
aft cabin at 42-45 ft means aft deck is way too high for going in and out of the water (which is what you inevitably do on a med boat) plus you feel vulnerable and too high up in a med mooring scenario (forget any form of privacy)

V.

Seems to me that it's the med style stern-to berthing that has driven the development of open transoms and big pontoon-level cockpits, pretty much incompatible with an aft cabin design of course, though no doubt someone out there knows of one that combines the two...

 

[Seejay]

If you live in Italy ( our boats in Liguria ) then simply pop down to the coast and do a bit of dock walking.
Example ...here Sciallino 40 Fly, 199.000 € | iNautia.com

I think it’s best to always ( despite the fuel burn ) to have the ability to plane .
We sometimes run at D speed , to extend the trip time and save fuel , when the sea state dictates .
But there are times when we gun it , the ability to move 100 miles in 3 hrs is not to be under estimated between the big islands.
Out run weather .
Where are you thinking of berthing it ?

Thanks. Seen plenty of Sciallinos, not internally. Previously I was on the mouth of the Magra river (between Liguria and Tuscany) then moved her to Antibes. This time probably winter berthed in Sicilly (Maybe Imperia) and then summer cruising.

 

[Seejay]

Dutch steel northern designs and med don't seem right to me!
aft cabin at 42-45 ft means aft deck is way too high for going in and out of the water (which is what you inevitably do on a med boat) plus you feel vulnerable and too high up in a med mooring scenario (forget any form of privacy)

V.

Thanks. Very useful input, in fact I‘ve seen aft cabins anchored but not in marina with occupants, but can totally understand what you are saying...

 

[Seejay]

Well. You are drifting some way off your original spec so the world's your oyster really. How about any of these which meet some but not all of your wants...

Dutch steel, loads, but to give you an idea look at anything by Valkkruiser or Stevens or Linssen or and Wim Van der Valk
Semi Ds, Sea Ranger, Humber, Grand Banks, Ocean Alexander, Trader, DeFever, Mainship, Sabreline, Aquastar
Trawler Ds, Fisher, Colvic, DeFever, Moody, (bit big maybe), Nordhavn (out of budget), Nordic Tug

Thats great. Lots to look through! While I do are there any of these semi Ds which are more suited than others to D speed cruising? Thanks again, you’ve been really helpful...

 

[longjohnsilver]

All semi d hulls will plough along happily at displacement speeds, but rolling will still be an issue in beam seas- unless you have stabilisers.

 

[Portofino]

Thanks. Seen plenty of Sciallinos, not internally. Previously I was on the mouth of the Magra river (between Liguria and Tuscany) then moved her to Antibes. This time probably winter berthed in Sicilly (Maybe Imperia) and then summer cruising.

Sicily and Imperia ( not far from me ) are a long way apart , what’s driving that decision process ...if you don’t mind sharing ?

 

[Seejay]

Sicily and Imperia ( not far from me ) are a long way apart , what’s driving that decision process ...if you don’t mind sharing ?

Well Sicily would be cheap winter berthing but could still go down for a week when weather’s v. good, Imperia not as warm winter time but would allow easier access from home town (Milan). Initial ideas. I say Sicily but could be Greece or Turkey, and instead of Imperia further down towards Santa Margherita or Chiavari or even a return to SofF. Or change around each year...!