FORUMS OPINION REQUEST moody v legend v jeanneau v beneteau

Probably the second hook in my mouth today, but never mind!
If this is a genuine search for opinion, Gord bless yer.

I wouldn't write off a Bav because of what you've read here. Talk to those who own them rather than those who don't. It is all dependent on your budget, and a Bav is a lot of boat per pound.

I don't own one, but have sailed in company with one for 18 months weekending.

From your list, I would say a Moody is the best boat there, but you pay more, unless its quite old.

I'm a satisfied Leg-End liveaboard, PM me if you want to know more. Any opinions placed here might cause a kerfuffle.

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Hm, as i know you are a bit of a loon, i reckon a legend might be a bit weak. A benny or jeanneau would be failry fine in reckon, secondhand. There's a loaded jeanneau 43 DS 2000/1 with nice aft cabin , twin and double forward with air and heating in Hamble Point, furling gear and generator who i bet would take £120k.
 
Are there any pics anywhere of the boat is it with a broker ?
Just went down the marina to turn the frost heater on had a look at a legend 38 loked very nice very beamy
there was a older moody centre cockpit next to it but didnt like the look of that not such a nice style to it
but the one I liked was the jeanneau with navy hull dont know what the size was must have been a 42 ft er
Looked very streamlined called oxford blue
 
Legends look nice, but are built to a price.

Blue looks nice, but when it fades it looks awful, and I understand that it makes the boat hotter in hotter climes.

As Moody is on your list, I would suggest you should buy a Moody... it will be the better built boat.

If you prefer one of the others... No problem!
 
I would decide on length and cabin accommodation first. You get more space in a AWB so can go for shorter length.

We have gone through 6/8 berth Dufour 36 to 6/8 berth Dufour 38 to 8/10 berth Jeanneau 43DS. We do chartering hence the size. SWMBO loves the light levels inside on a deck saloon and i suspect I would never get her back on a conventional sailing boat no matter how much a quality boat it was.

It we were not chartering I would go for a smaller boat (in N Spain 38 was big!). Dufour 34, Jeanneau 35 or 37 plus X35 and Finngulf 36? SWMBO would have different priorities. All are strongly built and last on the charter market and they sail reasonably well. They are more performance orientated.

If you want bangs for your money I would seriously look at Bavs - don't just discount them but be aware where it is cheaper built knowing that its not the full story as production line techniques and economies of scale are also factors.

Blue boats look great until they fade/bloom mark up from fenders get scratches!! until its blue all the way through & not just painted or the gel coat I woukld stick to white, cooler in the heat as well.
 
Go and sail the boats before making up your mind.
Bav's/Legends etc have the extra berths because they carry their beam quite far forward and have a big fat rear end. This is how you create the volume in a 38 footer for the 8/10 berths without having a rack of pipecots.
The results is not great in a short chop (slamming) and when heeled over, there can be issues controlling the boat as the"footprint" of the heeled boat can be quite unbalanced/asummetric.
Jeanneau make different ranges of boats (as to Beneteau) so the shape of the hulls can be quite different for boats of the same size. If the SWMBO wants a decksaloon and you want some performance/reasonable sailing characteristics the Jen is probably the best bet although the moody will be better built.
Look beyond the norm and check out X-yachts, Finngulf, Arcona, Sweden yachts, older Baltic 39's, the pre-mega money Oysters (Oyster lightwave, 435 etc)
For all the slagging that Bav's/Bennys & Jennys get, you don't see many broken ones lying around and if there is one with a real problem, there is often a story to be told of abuse or neglect.
 
I agree completely with your list as they would all be on my lets look at list before buying our next boat. Are the baltics still available new, they are a cheaper copy of the Swan arn't they? I rate them all on your list as more performance orientated sailing boats.

I priced up the Arcona46 and Finngulf 46 and was staggered that they both came out nearly £200k dearer than our new Jeanneau43DS to the same spec. I also looked at the X43 but that was £100k dearer.

For the charter market I just could not justify the extra cost and while we are very happy with the 43DS I would have an even bigger smile with a more performance orientated sailing boat.
 
yep, the DS 43 is centre cockpit, it's a blue hull up on stilts but the nerk thinks his extras are worth loads, and they aren't imho. Good thing about that boat is that you can see out from seated position inside, so quite broomy in that regard. Also most boats are streamlined you nerk, so shuttup about that and we can go mobo-sailing (ie with engine on a bit hur hur)
 
If you are determined to buy a floating caravan then you are thinking along the right lines! Other budget brands include Harmony and the Cyclades range. If you are thinking second hand Moody, think Westerly as well - both well built but getting on a bit now so factor in cost of replacement sails/engine/teak decks/electronics/possible osmosis etc.

If your hobby really is sailing then consider giving up a small amount of space and getting a boat that will perform significantly better, e.g. Dufour 40, Hanse 400, perhaps an Elan. More upmarket are Grand Soleil, X-Yachts and other Scandinavian marques such as Maxi, Finngulf and Arcona. One of the best is Sweden Yachts but they cost 2 or 3 times as much as the Dufour or Hanse. Seriously though the heads or galley may be a touch smaller but they will be a pleasure to sail and should hold their value better as a result.

My advice is to check the standard of finish, layouts etc at a boatshow, read the reviews in YM, ST etc for your shortlisted models especially regarding performance under sail, do a test sail to see for yourself and then haggle. Now it is time for me to duck and cover (other brands I could have mentioned but don't know enough about include Delphia and Salona).
 
Sigma 38's are a great boat but most have been raced/chartered and are well past their sell by date unless you want a renovation project.

Hamble School of Yachting had some and they posed some major maintenance costs.
 
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