For Owners of PIONIER 10's

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For Owners of PIONIER 10\'s

Has any owner or surveyor of a Pionier 10 knowledge of any strain or failure of the beam/bulkhead below the mast step?
The one I have (built 1972 by Southern Ocean Shipyard) has doubler panels glued on both faces of the bulkhead above the arch of the through-bulkhead access, added by one of the two previous owners. The second was based in Portugal and evidently used her for single-handed ocean passages.
This is a van de Stadt design with a fine reputation for seaworthiness and performance as a 'go-anywhere' yacht, and in that era S.O.S. had a good reputation for quality of build: it has certainly impressed three surveyors who have examined mine over the past twenty years, and I have driven her hard for over 60K NM in some quite wild waters without any sign of strain. But of course that could be vindication of the decision to add reinforcement!
I have been below deck in three other Pionier 10's and I did not notice a similar 'beef-up' on any of them.
Perhaps the previous owner did not trust a designer's calculations, (or builders?) or was just adopting a belt-and-braces strategy before ocean passage-making?
I am curious!
 
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Hi,

Not an owner, but I chartered one once. Don't remember noticing any strengthening arrangments as you described, but wasn't really looking.

Have to say, I thought the boat was ace and sailed well...I'd have one in a minute!
 
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I had a Pioneer 10, Solo, and she was a great boat in almost every respect. She had large beams either side of the main bulkhead which had been there since she was built, as far as I am aware. These may or may not have been standard as mine had been specially built to take part in an OSTAR.
Interestingly, wehen I bought her, there was a crack in the bulkhead just under the beams down to the door opening. My surveyor wasn't bothered by this and the crack was still there unchanged 7 years later.

One thing that did fail was the tang on a half bulkhead under the forecabin bunk which held the inner forestay span from the under-deck fitting.
 
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Hello James! Thanks for the information. I am sure those beams were standard; they are in mine and the other three P10s I've seen. The crack you mention could be the reason why the previous owner of mine added reinforcement to the bulkhead, especially if it ocurred during the OSTAR and was reported.
I have a copy of the Nov.'72 review of the Pionier 10 by Andrew Bray when she was a new introduction, and knew you subsequently bought one: that was one of the factors that led me to a six-month search for one for my sea-school! It has been well justified.
I am about to enter another post (historical) which might be of interest to you. See GRETEL I, II and III.
 
For Owners of PIONIER 10\'s

Has any owner or surveyor of a Pionier 10 knowledge of any strain or failure of the beam/bulkhead below the mast step?
The one I have (built 1972 by Southern Ocean Shipyard) has doubler panels glued on both faces of the bulkhead above the arch of the through-bulkhead access, added by one of the two previous owners. The second was based in Portugal and evidently used her for single-handed ocean passages.
This is a van de Stadt design with a fine reputation for seaworthiness and performance as a 'go-anywhere' yacht, and in that era S.O.S. had a good reputation for quality of build: it has certainly impressed three surveyors who have examined mine over the past twenty years, and I have driven her hard for over 60K NM in some quite wild waters without any sign of strain. But of course that could be vindication of the decision to add reinforcement!
I have been below deck in three other Pionier 10's and I did not notice a similar 'beef-up' on any of them.
Perhaps the previous owner did not trust a designer's calculations, (or builders?) or was just adopting a belt-and-braces strategy before ocean passage-making?
I am curious!
Dear Krusty and all, I have juste a couple of days ago bought a beautiful Pionier 10 "NERA". She has been in Norway for at least 25 years, but time before that is unknown to me. If anyone has the sail measurements ready to hand, could you please srite them to me? I need to buy used sails.

Very best wishes,
Arne Nakling
Bergen, Norway
 
Dear Krusty and all, I have juste a couple of days ago bought a beautiful Pionier 10 "NERA". She has been in Norway for at least 25 years, but time before that is unknown to me. If anyone has the sail measurements ready to hand, could you please srite them to me? I need to buy used sails.

Very best wishes,
Arne Nakling
Bergen, Norway
Welcome aboard Arne, and congratulations on your purchase, they’re lovely boats. I hope someone can give you the information you need, but had you noticed that the last post on this thread was nearly 19 years ago?
 
Dear Krusty and all, I have juste a couple of days ago bought a beautiful Pionier 10 "NERA". She has been in Norway for at least 25 years, but time before that is unknown to me. If anyone has the sail measurements ready to hand, could you please srite them to me? I need to buy used sails.

Very best wishes,
Arne Nakling
Bergen, Norway
There is a website called Sailboat Data which might have the information you want. But is your boat original(hank on headsails original boom etc) or do you need furling headsails?
 
Dear Krusty and all, I have juste a couple of days ago bought a beautiful Pionier 10 "NERA". She has been in Norway for at least 25 years, but time before that is unknown to me. If anyone has the sail measurements ready to hand, could you please srite them to me? I need to buy used sails.

Very best wishes,
Arne Nakling
Bergen, Norway
Sailboatdata does not give the rig dimensions, but it is really not difficult to measure for sails your self following a guide such as this kempsails.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/MEASURING_Form.pdf Buying used sails is always a gamble as generally people do not sell good sails and the chances of finding any sails that will fit such an old boat are small. Even if you get something close the cost of modifying to fit can be high. Really better if you intend keeping the boat to buy new sails either from a local loft (who will measure your boat and advise on what is best) or from one of the mail order lofts based in the Far East.
 
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