Sans Bateau
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I was expecting something nice from Najad, but 1/2 a million for this
Where's the rest of it??
'Ell, even we have room in a locker for wellies!
For £453,550 sailaway you get:
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'Ell, even we have room in a locker for wellies!
Twister_Ken
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You just need a chequebook.
fmoran
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Equivalent Malo 40 Classic with en-suite up front would be about £380K. That said would hope the 410 would have radar / AIS / Raymarine E120 at deckhouse and below, also all the other extras like central heating , etc, for that price. So the difference is about half of what other postings are saying.
We paid a lot lot less 2 years ago for our Malo 40 to a very high spec. Our decision was based on seeing other Malo 40's in Largs and feeling how great they were v N ( far too modern ) or HR ( stuffy ).
And we had a Bavaria 37 before for 7 years (after a Sadler 26 and Sunlight 30) which we really enjoyed. The YM assesment and high score of 78 for the Bavaria was well deserved (don't know what the complaining posting was about!!). We really enjoyed our 37 and did (wife/dog/myself) everywhere between IOW/S Ireland/Wales/IOM/W Scotland in it.
Now retired and gone for a heavier boat and did round Ireland last year with wife and dog.
Circumnavigation of Ireland 2009 - http://www.maloyachts.se/Default.aspx?tabid=251
Next week is the West Coast of Scotland for a month.
In summary - Malo's are great and also Bavaria's
We paid a lot lot less 2 years ago for our Malo 40 to a very high spec. Our decision was based on seeing other Malo 40's in Largs and feeling how great they were v N ( far too modern ) or HR ( stuffy ).
And we had a Bavaria 37 before for 7 years (after a Sadler 26 and Sunlight 30) which we really enjoyed. The YM assesment and high score of 78 for the Bavaria was well deserved (don't know what the complaining posting was about!!). We really enjoyed our 37 and did (wife/dog/myself) everywhere between IOW/S Ireland/Wales/IOM/W Scotland in it.
Now retired and gone for a heavier boat and did round Ireland last year with wife and dog.
Circumnavigation of Ireland 2009 - http://www.maloyachts.se/Default.aspx?tabid=251
Next week is the West Coast of Scotland for a month.
In summary - Malo's are great and also Bavaria's
I thought YM review prices were normalized to a standard spec in any given market segment? You are saying they are £30k to £50k out on the Malo?
My complaint about the Bavaria 36 used boat review was based on factual errors, omissions and the strange choice of a charter fleet bare boat for the review. One of the bonuses of the used-boat reviews is what experienced owners have to say and the customizations they have applied.
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fmoran
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Don't kown - but when we bought our £60K (£59,999) Bavaria 37 in 2001 we ended up paying 83K for a well spec'ed boat we we happy to have for sailing about Ireland and Scotland. My rule of thumb is to add about 25% to the quoted cost to get up to what you really need. Was less for the Malo as its a very well spec'ed boat to start with.
Obviously (I hope) the N 401 tested had everything the UK owner desired so I would think a comparison with a Malo 40 of £380/390K would be a better comparison.
That said the Malo 40 is superb, and I don't think the YM reporter would have had all the half hearted comments about it that he had for the N 410. The cabin and chart table look pretty disappointing from my biased point of view, hence why we have a Malo.
Obviously (I hope) the N 401 tested had everything the UK owner desired so I would think a comparison with a Malo 40 of £380/390K would be a better comparison.
That said the Malo 40 is superb, and I don't think the YM reporter would have had all the half hearted comments about it that he had for the N 410. The cabin and chart table look pretty disappointing from my biased point of view, hence why we have a Malo.
Ex-SolentBoy
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This is a very big complicated topic, and to some extent I praise the yachting magazines for attempting to add some standardisation to the testing process. However, the business of giving points out of 100 is just a nonsense, as it assumes the same purpose for each vessel, or it tries to compare how good a shallow draft boat for creeks is compared to how good a blue water boat is for oceans. That is about as useful as comparing a tennis racquet to a golf club! The result really is dependant on the game you want to play.
Personally, I would rather that reviewers gave me facts rather than opinions. To take the example of the glass splashback. To rate something high because the boat has one, assumes I want one. In fact, it would be the first thing I would remove. You may disagree with me, but that's ok. For me, their credibility is lost through the rating system as we all prioritise different things. I they would just say that the boat has one. We can draw our own conclusion as to whether it was a good idea.
As far as value for money or pricing goes, this is even more of a nonsense. We bought a new boat recently, and we compared a half dozen or so boats from various manufacturers. I wanted to do a proper like-for-like comparison, so I listed every key feature for each builder in a column on a spreadsheet. I then asked each builder to price, as an extra, any item that others offered as standard. I found that to get a common baseline, we needed to add at least 30% to each base price. You then still needed to add any additional equipment that was not standard to all of the manufacturers. Only after this excercise was it possible to make a true value comparison.
I visited the Najad factory in Sweden as part of this process, and included them in my costings. For various reasons they did not make my final short list. However, whether 450k is value for money is a complex question.
Having said that, there is no place whatsoever, under any circumstances for mdf on a yacht.
Personally, I would rather that reviewers gave me facts rather than opinions. To take the example of the glass splashback. To rate something high because the boat has one, assumes I want one. In fact, it would be the first thing I would remove. You may disagree with me, but that's ok. For me, their credibility is lost through the rating system as we all prioritise different things. I they would just say that the boat has one. We can draw our own conclusion as to whether it was a good idea.
As far as value for money or pricing goes, this is even more of a nonsense. We bought a new boat recently, and we compared a half dozen or so boats from various manufacturers. I wanted to do a proper like-for-like comparison, so I listed every key feature for each builder in a column on a spreadsheet. I then asked each builder to price, as an extra, any item that others offered as standard. I found that to get a common baseline, we needed to add at least 30% to each base price. You then still needed to add any additional equipment that was not standard to all of the manufacturers. Only after this excercise was it possible to make a true value comparison.
I visited the Najad factory in Sweden as part of this process, and included them in my costings. For various reasons they did not make my final short list. However, whether 450k is value for money is a complex question.
Having said that, there is no place whatsoever, under any circumstances for mdf on a yacht.
fmoran
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Agree.