Following on from the earlier 60/40 diesel

Apologies for the thread drift but you don't happen to be sailing the boat ybwnoregretstwat in the sailonline Volvo race? If you are, you are going the wrong way!
 
You have the right to declare a different % if you wish, even a lower % in favour of heating. HMRC have been (unusually) sensible here in coming up with a solution that seems to address all the issues surrounding this matter so why stare a gift horse in the mouth? Do you enjoy paying additional tax?
 
> Do you enjoy paying additional tax?

No, but I strongly disagree with dishonesty. This strikes me as encouraging us to 'fiddle', civilized behaviour starts to break down when this occurs.
 
Philip, i share your view on fiddling etc. But this is different. There is no dishonesty becuase the party being "fibbed to" (to use your analysis) knows it and is positively inviting you to do it. There is therefore no question of HMRC being deceived and thereby deprived of tax.

There are lots of parallels to this in other areas of law, even tax law. I mean, areas of law where the law actually says you are required to pay £x of tax and then a published position uttered by HMRC (with ministerial approval of course) saying "we will not collect the tax in these circumstnaces, just follow this procedure"

There's no dishonesty in any of this becuase no-one is being deceived. It is quite clear from HMRC's utterances that they are content to receive 60-40 declarations regardless of actual percentage split
 
No-one is fiddling. If you can accurately work out exactly how much of your fuel is used for propulsion that is the split that you can claim. It doesn't matter if it is more or less than 60%.

For the rest of us who wouldn't know where to begin to work out how much of the fuel going through the engine is being used to heat water, charge the batteries etc etc, lat alone what the diesel heating and genny uses, HMRC has done the calc for us and said that 60/40 is a fair and average representation.
 
Phillip............please dont take this the wrong way, but you do appear to ba an 4rse of the highest order!

I know..............lets just pay our way out of our moral dilemma of whether you use more or less for propulsion!

I cant believe you guys are even bothering to reply to this foooooool! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Jas.
 
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Phillip............please dont take this the wrong way, but you do appear to ba an 4rse of the highest order!

I know..............lets just pay our way out of our moral dilemma of whether you use more or less for propulsion!

I cant believe you guys are even bothering to reply to this foooooool! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Jas.

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Exactly, what a pill.
 
I think that disagreeing with Philip_Fry's view on this subject is one thing. But I don't think it's right to abuse him for having that view.

jfm is a tax expert and has explained the position very clearly. Not everyone else will have the same experience of working with HMRC or the same understanding of the nuances of their approach.
 
Hear hear BJB, I don't think the rudeness to Philip Fry was becoming of the forum. Leg pulling and disagreement is fine, but not rudeness. He was makinf a fair point/enquiry and might not have read the earlier stuff on here when some of this was discussed
 
Look, Philip, as I've said you've got the option to declare a lesser proportion of your fuel for heating than 60/40. You don't have to accept 60/40 if you're going to beat yourself up over it
 
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