Folding Propellers and Performance

Chris_Stannard

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I have now had a chance to give my boat a get sailing and motoring test to try out the Flex-o-Fold propeller I fitted recently. My boat is a 37 foot Najad with a stationary waterline of 32 feet, but this goes up to about 36 feet when the counter sits down giving a theoretical hull limiting speed of about 8.1 knots. The boat was fitted with and 18 inch 13 inch pitch fixed propellor but on the advice of Yanmar, I fitted a 17inch 13inch pitch folding replacement.

Motoring.
The boat goes ahead and astern with no noticeable difference. I cannot detect the delay, and the Flex-o-Fold has pads so it does not go clunk when the blades extend. At 2500 rpm, my normal cruising revs, the log showed 6.6 knots, which is about 0.1 knots less than the fixed gave. At 3700 rpm, (I still find it difficult to do this inspite of being told by diesel engineers you should give the engine the odd bash flat out), the log showed 8.1 knots. My general view is that no performance has been lost.

Sailing.
Before the folding prop was fitted the boat struggled to make 7 knots on a close reach with the apparent wind 60 degrees on the bow and 13 gusting 18 knots indicated. Going into the wind, apparent wind 35 degrees on the bow and same force, the boat was making about 6.2 knots.
This weekend, with much the same conditions, I went from Cowes to Portsmouth on Saturday. Boat speed, when on a close reach, did not drop below 7 knots for long periods, was usually in the 7.3-7.4 range and I did see 7.8 on occasion. Going to windwards the boat speed was about 6.6-6.8 knots. The gain is at least half a knot if not more.

Conclusion, if you are like me an ex-racing sailor and like to get the maximum out of your boat, this offers a substantial improvment.

In case you think I am an agent for CJR, who market the Flex-o-Fold, the downside is that the propeller was very late being delivered, one of the blades was chipped, not enough to make a difference but annoying in a new product, and CJR did not have the courtesy to respond to my letter about this. I was told delivery was two weeks. I gave two months notice and finally got the propellor the Friday before I was due to go back in the water. This after many phone calls and much chasing. I was not impressed by the company's (lack of) performance.


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Re: Folding Propellers alignment

Chris
I'm told the serious types mark their propshaft so that they can turn it to have the prop locked vertically (I think) as this gives an extra rectum of boatspeed.
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JS

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Chris, very interesting to hear of your experience, and encouraging. As a result of your previous words on this subject I changed my mind from the Maxprop type feathering to the Gori (CJR) type folding (I know CJR also make the feathering type). But I have one outstanding worry: with my hydraulic gearbox, will the prop fold up so as to stop the shaft turning when sailing, or does it need a brake? I assume you can put your Yanmar in gear to encourage it to fold. Mine is a 38' boat (about 10 tons) with a 20" two blade prop. Did you replace a 2 blade fixed with a 3 blade folding (which is what I am thinking of)?
 

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Hi Chris,

did you get the two or the three bladed one? Also before was the fixed two or three bladed.

I have the 3-bladed one, but never compared it to anything on that boat.

Sounds like the distributor isn't so great. I met the producer on a fair and he was very nice and gave me a few zinks for mine. Seemed like a small shop, but had a good personal impression.

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Both the original propeller and the folding are three bladed. In fairness to CJR I think the supply problems were the fault of the Danish manufacturer. The lack of response to my letter and email were of course down to them.

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The propellor I fitted was the Flex-o-fold, which is a folding unit. CJR are the UK distributors. From my own observation of the propeller I would think that it would fold under water pressure once the engine stopped driving. Indeed if you go astern whilst still moving ahead, it takes a burst of high revs to deploy the blades. One of my reasons for fitting the Flex-o-Fold was that it was recommended by the builders, the other was that it is £400 cheaper for a three bladed 17".

Regarding you thought of changing a 20 inch two bladed for a smaller three bladed, there may be a problem with the blade speed, if your reduction gear is not high. My thought would be to refer to the engine manufacturer and see what they recommend. Yanmar told me to reduce to a 17" as opposed to the 18" fixed that I had and it has worked out well.

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I have a 3 bladed flex-o-fold 22” x 13”.

If I just go to neutral from motoring to sailing, it spins.

I have a mechanic gear box and engage it in reverse to stop it. However, once stopped, I can put it in neutral and it will stay still and closed.

I would think you can achive the closing by briefly putting it into low rev reverse while sailing forward.

Can only speak for the flex-o-fold, the Gori may react differnt. They fold differnt: The Gori becomes a star looking from astern, and the flex-o-fold becomes a triangle.

I know for sure that the autoprop needs to be locked and kept locked, it develops significant tourque.
 
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