Flybridge mods / teak decking (lots of pics)

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Some of Princess' flybridge layouts are baffling. My boat has a saloon for six, cabins for six, dinette for six, and a flybridge table barely big enough for four /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. So, inspired by the layout on jfm's Sq 58, I decided to change things. Whilst I was doing it, I also decided to make the fly a bit more plush, with teak decking, teak table, and Sunbrella seat cushions.

This is how it looked before:

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You can see there's no way to seat six for food:

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Making the table bigger involved moving the BBQ unit from behind the helm seats, and re-positioning it against the port side flybridge wall, where there's plenty of space. This would leave the square edge at the back of the helm seat moulding showing, so I got a GRP company to cut it down and fair it off.

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The other problem with extending the table is that the stbd side cool box is higher than the seating, so would stop people sliding along, so that had to be cut down as well. This picture is the same thing on Hurricane's boat, as I don't have a photo.

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For the teak decking, I made up templates in a thin rigid foam, the sliced them up to bring them back on the plane.

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KJ Howells then made up the decking panels to my templates, eight in all. The panels were excellent, and fitted perfectly.

I found a South African guy to help me lay the panels, and i'm very glad I did as he was fantastic. He started by masking the area to avoid having to clean up too much glue. He then laid a very thin layer of sikkaflex.

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With the glue laid, the panel is then lowered into place, starting at one end and flexing the panel to avoid trapping air underneath. I was concerned he was using about half the spreading rate of glue that sikkaflex reccommend, but sure enough when the weights were placed on, there was a small bead of glue squeezed out around the perimiter of the panel showing a good contact. Each of these weights is 25 kgs!

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The other panels were then done in the same way, leaving the border of the removeable floor panel, which was filled with thin teak strips later, so it can be routered out if the engines ever need lifting. Then the table leg was re-fitted in a different orientation, and the new teak table top fitted.

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Once the glue had set, caulking was applied around the edges and between the panels, as necessary

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The BBQ unit was then re-installed in its new position, the Sunbrella upholstery was added, and my gorgeous new steering wheel, shamelessly copied from Absolute, was the finishing touch.

The final result

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We've now lived with it for a bit and its so much better. The flybridge feels more spacious, and there's plenty of room for a banquet for six, using foldeable chairs at the front end.

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In the evenings, with the teak and sunbrella being so much warmer, it feels like a classy lounge bar, and in the day we're not blinded by the glare from all that white.

I kept the cost right down by doing a fair bit myself, and bringing most of the stuff from the UK to avoid crazy French prices. I've also tested BMI Baby's baggage policy to the limit /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The only bit left to do is to convert the cupboard under the BBQ into a fridge to replace the coolbox taken out, but that can wait till the end of the season, as we're now busy using the boat as much as poss.

I'd also like to thank jfm for all his help, as mid way through I had to have a minor op and couldn't fly, so he did some measuring up for the panels, and gave me regular updates on progress. This is after helping with the purchase structure for the boat and finding me the berth in Antibes!
 
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This picture is the same thing on Hurricane's boat, as I don't have a photo.

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Nick, that's hard to believe! I thought you had photos of everything...

F/b looks really properly good, huge improvement on the original. Nice job.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
Blimely, what an improvement Nick, looks fantastic can hardly recognise it is the same flybridge.

Think you should send those pics to Princess and if they take it up ask for a royalty /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

JFM....'the man', what a top bloke, helped me out too, and they say the world is getting more insular and no one helps anyone anymore!. Everyone should buy a boat and become a nicer person and the world will be a better place...."buy a boat, save the world" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
That looks utterly fantastic. In a week or so you may see a bloke standing on the dock in Port Vauban with his family pointing from your boat to him and saying, "that's how you should have done yours!" That'll be me.
 
Fab job Nick, and thanks for the kind comments. As someone said, this is so much better than the Princess original layout, which was really poor. Princess really should copy what you've done. Not just on your model, but right across their mid-sized model range. I think these boat builders just dont live on the boats enough - in sunny climate you spend a big sociable chunk of the day having lunch around the fly table, so it needs to be like yours or the Sq58 layout, not some little coffee table like you'd get in Starbucks.

And having seen it all in the flesh last weeknd, I can vouch for the fact the installation quality is superb. Each element of the refit (layout, teak deck, sunbrella) is great on its own , but seen together they transform the flybridge into a beautiful hip hangout! A great job.

Hey, tiny Fred Drift, I'm in Malta at Grand Harbour right now. Just a quick 24hr business visit to Valetta. Lovely place. I'll get a few pics and any info anyone wants. And I just flew over the Med from San Remo-ish past Corsica then E of Sardinia and then over Sicily. It's sunny and as flat as a very flat thing. Anyone planning a quick blast from Cote D'Azur to Sardinia or Corsica, go now! :-)
 
Fantastic transformation.

Maybe a new TV series 'Changing Boats' /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Princess should sit up and take notice.
 
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Nick, that's hard to believe! I thought you had photos of everything...

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Whats even sadder, Jimmy, is that when Nick asked me if I had a photo of the coolbox ---- I DID !!!

Great work, Nick - yep - send the development team at Plymouth a copy of the pictures - before and after should do.

They are really quite helpful at the factory - I recently wanted to add some docking cameras and they arranged for me to get back into the factory to see how all the bulkheads above the canopy worked and how I could get the wires through. It turned out that everything on our boat was EXACTLY the same as the one in production.
 
I can only second all other comments re. the overall job, it looks indeed fabulous.
You surely considered also the disadvantages of teak, I guess?
Personally (for a med usage, and particularly on the flybridge) I'd rather switch my teak floor with a grp one if I only could....
 
I certainly did, especially with a 2 yr old who drops anything greasy on the floor, but we just keep a tin of magic K2R spray handy. The only other disadvantage I can see is that it gets hot in the midday sun, but most of it is under the bimini, and the bits that aren't are places you generally just walk across to get somewhere, so there's not time for your feet to fry. I also expect it'll stay a bit cooler as the teak lightens in colour.

The advantages are that it looks nicer, its warmer in the evenings, it's more non slip, it doesn't look constantly grubby, and you don't get dirty foot prints on it 10 mins after you last washed it.

jfm and I were discussing the trend amongst Italian boats to have GRP floors and white vinyl on the flybridge. It seems Ferretti advise customers to go that way, but it did occur to us that all their bigger and Custom Line boats have teak flybridges?
 
Well I see that you did your homework, and then some!
What's that K2R thingie, and where can be found? I also have a soapy spray for these emergencies, but I wouldn't call it 'magic'....
Anyhow yes, my comment was mainly related to the frying feet issue, which can be really bad at times.
And I'm afraid you shouldn't expect relevant improvements when the teak will get older/greyish, compared to new or just sanded.
What can make a helluva difference (for the worse) is the use of some products which are supposed not only to keep its natural colour, but also to make it more brilliant. I've seen decks treated with that poisonous thing, a sort of oily varnish, can't remember the name by heart: they get as hot as a BBQ, and it's impossible to remove it. Really awful.
Less slippery definitely it is, but just when dry - something to bear in mind when washing the boat for instance.
Re.bigger boats still using it everywhere, well, it's a matter of weighing form and function:
functionwise, on any grp boat, large and thin teak plywood with "fake" seams have more cons than pros imho, particularly on the FB, but also in any other external application, including the swim platform.
But from the form viewpoint there's no context. And I guess that those who spend zillions on a boat just can't accept any form compromise! ...not to mention that a Jacuzzi on the FB can help keeping feet cool /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Besides, remaking the teak every few years is not a big concern in the context of all the expenses associated with big boats.
Plywood is in fact bound to deteriorate faster compared to thick planks with much deeper seams.
 
That's a great job, houghn. Apart from the new layout which is loads better, I particularly like the way you have remoulded the helm seat plinth and where the bbq unit is now gives a convenient handhold when you're climbing up either set of steps to the flybridge. I'm still in 2 minds about the teak on the flybridge though. I don't have teak on my fly but the teak in my cockpit gets effing hot where it's exposed to the sun for any time and I get paranoid about peeps spilling stuff on it
Agree entirely that boat designers never give the impression that they have ever lived on their boats. Certainly the bloke who designed my helm seats has never been to sea in any kind of boat
 
Wow that is an amazing job. I thought most Princess owners of new-ish boats were a bit wary of changing anything but you have done an amazing job, beautiful workmanship.

When I was on the P58 last year at the boatshow, the flybridge was the most impressive feature of the boat and I thought it outclassed all others in same size boat, but you have just improved the usability altogether. Love the colour scheme...
 
K2R is a spray white powder sort of dry clean stuff. Fab on teak greasy spots. Avaialble in hardware stores in UK and France, at least.

The teak thing is matter of opinion. I hate GRP decks and think houghn has done the right thing. My teak fly decks are 5 years old and still look good in straw brown colour. Houghn (and I) have real teak about 6mm thick, not plywood sheets. you philistine! :-)
 
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