JumbleDuck
Well-Known Member
PS Some of our members started out as oiks but worked out how to improve themselves.
Oh, I know how to improve myself. I just don't want to.
PS Some of our members started out as oiks but worked out how to improve themselves.
Nothing to do with "oiks" unless you are the sort of bigot that uses such nasty terms. Neither is it anything to do with seniority is it? At least. I didn't mention that.Not really. I can't see how deciding where (or whether) to fly a burgee, based on the "seniority" of the yacht club it represents,has anything to do with showing politeness, respect, honour and gratitude to your country. It's all a game, basically, invented by yacht club members in the 1920s and 30s to help them distinguish people like them from oiks in boats.
I'm really hoping you are planning to demand satisfaction from Jumble Duck - an authentic cad if ever I've seen one.
You, Sir, are a character.
Do you despise manners amd gratitude too? I imagine so...
Actually, I'm all in favour of manners, which is basically the art of making other people feel happy and at ease. Etiquette is completely the opposite, since it is invariably a set of rules designed to make some people - the out group - feel uncomfortable and ill at ease, and keep them in their place.
People with manners don't care when other people don't follow etiquette, of flag or any other kind.
Whilst you undoubtedly have a point, there is also an argument that having a set of formalised (and promulgated) rules of etiquette allows an 'outsider' to read those rules and 'fit in', rather than having imbued them from birth and upbringing. Hence why they are/were so popular with the expanding middle classes (and Americans) particularly from the middle of the C19.
I basically go along with this post, an excellent précis of the points discussed in earlier posts. Society, however, is in a state of constant change. To amend Lord Fisher’s famous quotation, “the etiquette of the past may not need to be the practice of the future”.Whilst you undoubtedly have a point, there is also an argument that having a set of formalised (and promulgated) rules of etiquette allows an 'outsider' to read those rules and 'fit in', rather than having imbued them from birth and upbringing. Hence why they are/were so popular with the expanding middle classes (and Americans) particularly from the middle of the C19.
And yes, manners and etiquette are not the same thing.
Whilst you undoubtedly have a point, there is also an argument that having a set of formalised (and promulgated) rules of etiquette allows an 'outsider' to read those rules and 'fit in', rather than having imbued them from birth and upbringing. Hence why they are/were so popular with the expanding middle classes (and Americans) particularly from the middle of the C19.
And yes, manners and etiquette are not the same thing.