fitting a sea toilet???

[manish]

hi folks im looking into getting my first boat and heve dicided on a folkboat. the only thing is alot of them dont have a sea toilet or any loo atall. can someone pls help me with a few ideas and how to do the plumbing for it all. many thanks
manish

 

[Niander]

hi folks im looking into getting my first boat and have dicided on a folkboat.

Hey good choice!,,,I have a folkboat and luckily she has one already mounted on starboard side mid ships in a separate compartment with a door although one cannot use it and shut door at same time!...lol

 

[simonfraser]

keep it simple, use a bucket

 

[Niander]

Like to read in style?

 

[Heigaro]

Yes, I agree, keep it simple - fit a Lavac. The pump can double up for pumping purposes and is easy to dismantle should that prove necessary.

Details of the toilets and a comprehensive set of intallation instructions can be found on their website: http://www.blakes-lavac-taylors.co.uk/prod03.htm

To quote them - there are rock bottom prices to be found!!!!

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[richardabeattie]

Congratulations on choosing a Folkboat but, given the limited internal space, fitting a loo is probably a mistake. They really do take up a lot of space, there won't be adequate standing headroom for a man to aim accurately and you have to cope with the plumbing and holes in the hull. Bucket and chuck it is a lot simpler..

 

[Jcorstorphine]

You could look at a slightly more refined version of the “bucket and chuck it” that being a Porta Pottie. All you need is to make some form of level bearers to support it and there will be no seacocks and anti siphone device or plastic tubing to fit. Also less chance of boat sinking with a sea toilet below waterline.

Here is one possibility but you may find a smaller one. cost is £39 + £5 delivery.

http://www.norwich-camping.co.uk/product_details/Thetford_Porta_Pottie_145/6076.html

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[johnphilip]

Fit some sort of toilet (particularly if sailing with Female crew).
Hanging out from the shrouds is not very elegant and can lead to the DOWF syndrome

 

[johnphilip]

In case nobody asks I'll tell you The DOWF syndrome is an RNLI acronym if they find a dead yachtsman floating in the hoggin they record the cause of death as"Dick Out When Found"

 

[simonfraser]

bit unlikely with a female crew )

 

[Strathglass]

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Yes, I agree, keep it simple - fit a Lavac. The pump can double up for pumping purposes and is easy to dismantle should that prove necessary.

Details of the toilets and a comprehensive set of intallation instructions can be found on their website: http://www.blakes-lavac-taylors.co.uk/prod03.htm

To quote them - there are rock bottom prices to be found!!!!

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Can't beat the Lavac for reliability and simplicity.

Budget for

1 - the Lavac popular (this comes with pump and air valve)

2 - 1-1/2" and 3/4" toilet piping and ss hose clips.
3 - 1-1/2" and 3/4" seacocks. (blakes are the prefered ones but bronze ball valves would be cheaper)

4 - mounting pads for the seacocks.

Parts available from ASAP

SANITATION HOSE BUTYL 38mmID - pn 507838
SANITATION HOSE BUTYL 19mmID - pn 507819
BLAKES SEACOCK ASSEMBLY 3/4 in. HOSE - 402204
BLAKES SEACOCK ASSEMBLY 1-1/2 in. HOSE - 402207

You can get cheaper hose / seacocks but those are currently the best.

Iain

 

[ccscott49]

Why do men insist on standing to pee on a boat?? I've never understood. Absolute nonsense! Sit down much more accurate and no pee on the floor, seat, walls etc. etc. Plus of course no need for standing headroom in the heads!

By the way, yes fit a heads! Lavac are very good and compact. But even the cheap jabsco compact would be fine, but of course for a folkboat it should be a baby blake!

 

[raquet]

Shouldn't we all be using chemical systems (PortaPottis). Pumping out into the middle of the Atlantic may be OK but in the Solent or Med? If the boat is big enough for a holding tank then use one but I doubt that a Folkboat gives much scope for that. A Portapotti is cheap, compact, environmentally friendly and easy to fit. I don't like them but I dislike them less than fighting a recalcitrant sea-toilet on a rough day. Also, picture yourself at anchor in a beautiful bay, sun shining, water gently lapping tempting you in for a swim. Then you neighbour pumps. The kind of detritus we are considering here tends to float. Think about it.

 

[Jcorstorphine]

sea toilet VS Porta Pottie

Without wishing to lower the content of this thread there used to be a golden rule about sea toilets and that is

DO NOT PUT ANYTHING DOWN THIS TOILET WHICH HAS NOT FIRST BEEN EATEN.

Having cruised with both sea toilets and Porta Potties, there are definite benefits to our female sailing partners for reasons which I trust are obvious. There is also the benefit to the owner of not having to dismantle the sea toilet to clear a blocked valve caused by a fluffy stringy thing. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[vyv_cox]

Use a holding tank

<< Shouldn't we all be using chemical systems (PortaPottis). >>

How can throwing formaldehyde or equivalent anywhere, including the sewers, be considered to be environmentally friendly? Chemical toilets are a menace: very few places have facilities for emptying them, so you finish up trying to get the contents into a toilet, with all the spill consequences. Pumping out a holding tank in deep water is far more acceptable than the same thing from a chemical toilet.

 

[AlistairC]

I'm pretty sure its all rubbish, I mean where does the sewage go normally? Of course you shouldnt use it in a marina, thats just icky.
But if you macerate it, the fish and sea life will extract the food from it.

I'm pretty sure all of the fish dont use chemical loos! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Talbot]

pay attention to the position of the inlet and outlet. Preferably fit one each side of the hull, but with the inlet foward of the outlet (thus minimising risk of sucking sewage back up the inlet!)

 

[ccscott49]

Re: Use a holding tank

We agree as usual! Sewage stations are for disposing of detergents, biowashing powder etc. etc. etc, human waste is fine in deep ocean. After all, fish poo in it!

 

[raquet]

Re: Use a holding tank

How often do any of us get into deep ocean? If anyone really thinks that emptying a chemical lavatory into a system which is purpose designed to process such effluent is less environmentally friendly than pumping human effluvia into our coastal waters then I fear for all of us who sail in those waters. Mentioning formaldehyde is just misleading. Using something like Aquachem green and the tank can be emptied into a septic tank let alone a sewer. Of course you can empty then in the deep if you are there. Happily French marinas do have facilities for such things.

Fish may defecate in the water but they don’t have a choice and have smaller brains than most of us. Look at what happens in salmon farms when too many fish use too small a volume of water for this purpose.