Fishing boat clearly in the wrong bumps into stern of large sailing yacht (video)

[Biggles Wader]

That seems to be the crux of it.The fishing boat could have and should have taken action and the sailing vessel expected it to do so.The collision could have been avoided right up to a few seconds before impact except there was no one looking.Hard to expect the sailing ship to second guess the criminal negligence going on aboard the other vessel.

 

[Athene V30]

That seems to be the crux of it.The fishing boat could have and should have taken action and the sailing vessel expected it to do so.The collision could have been avoided right up to a few seconds before impact except there was no one looking.Hard to expect the sailing ship to second guess the criminal negligence going on aboard the other vessel.

I accept what you are saying, yes the fishing boat should have acted to avoid the collision and didn't. That is what Rule 2 is all about - it requires you as Skipper / Master of the 'stand on vessel' to do act when the give way vessel hasn't done anything / enough to avoid a collision. You have to decide at what point that action needs to be taken based on the handling abilities / manoeuverability of your boat / ship.

At sea there is no right of way.

 

[KenMcCulloch]

The story goes that the original suit of green sails was paid for by Heineken, in order to use her in an advert. They've kept the colour ever since, as a tradition. No idea if that's true.

Pete

I think it was Beck's. They were sponsors for a number of years and AvH used to have the Beck's logo on some sails.

 

[nimbusgb]

That seems to be the crux of it.The fishing boat could have and should have taken action and the sailing vessel expected it to do so.The collision could have been avoided right up to a few seconds before impact except there was no one looking.Hard to expect the sailing ship to second guess the criminal negligence going on aboard the other vessel.

+1 quite so! The motor vessel had no one on watch or no one on watch who knew the IRPCS. A 20% reduction in revs 2 or 3 minutes before the incident would have made this a non event.

If you can't rely on anyone sticking to the rules and blaming the vessel that was in the right then it's going to turn into a right mess out at sea!

 

[Athene V30]

If you can't rely on anyone sticking to the rules and blaming the vessel that was in the right then it's going to turn into a right mess out at sea!

Please just read rule 2. There is no right of way at sea. This is basic dazed kipper course stuff.

 

[tudorsailor]

. If the sailing boat had made a turn to Starboard early he would have put himself in the wrong because the fishing vessel should also have turned to starboard. .

Why would it have been wrong for the sailing vessel to turn to starboard? Surely this would have reduced their closing speed and reduced the likihood off being t-bones amid-ships

What if the sailing vessel had started its engines to give it a bit more speed?


Tudorsailor.

 

[Athene V30]

Why would it have been wrong for the sailing vessel to turn to starboard? Surely this would have reduced their closing speed and reduced the likihood off being t-bones amid-ships

What if the sailing vessel had started its engines to give it a bit more speed?


Tudorsailor.

+1

 

[nimbusgb]

Please just read rule 2. There is no right of way at sea. This is basic dazed kipper course stuff.

Who said 'right of way' not me?

Learn to read. It's nursery school stuff

 

[Athene V30]

Who said 'right of way' not me?

Learn to read. It's nursery school stuff

You typed 'blaming the vessel that was in the right'.

 

[sailorman]

Why would it have been wrong for the sailing vessel to turn to starboard? Surely this would have reduced their closing speed and reduced the likihood off being t-bones amid-ships

What if the sailing vessel had started its engines to give it a bit more speed?


Tudorsailor.

pretty much hard on the wind i guess with no where to go

 

[Bosun Higgs]

Difficult to tell, but I would have thought that with both booms out, it would have been fishing. Even then it would have been more manouverable than a square rigger and so should have adjusted course way out. Case of bloody mindedness I expect. " I've got my rights".

Anyone here ever experienced a fishing vessel altering course to avoid, even if not fishing? I havent.

 

[C08]

There looked to be about 1 minute from when it was apparent there was a possibility of a near miss at best-as others have said why did the SV not get under engine as soon as the problem became apparent & that would have made the difference between a hit and a miss. I am not familiar with vessels the size of the SV-is engine starting a time consuming event on one of these sort of vessels? I am sure that many on here would have hit the engine start button pretty sharply, particularly those with boats that do not sail particularly well..

 

[prv]

I think it was Beck's. They were sponsors for a number of years and AvH used to have the Beck's logo on some sails.

Ta - that would make more sense, being a German ship. Fairly sure I was told Heineken, but the person telling me clearly misremembered.

Pete

 

[prv]

I am not familiar with vessels the size of the SV-is engine starting a time consuming event on one of these sort of vessels?

Could be. I don't know what's involved on Stavros, but I was talking to a watch leader in Pelican about a close encounter with a Russian square rigger, and she mentioned waking up the engineer to go and get things ready in the engine room in case they needed to start the engine.

I am sure that many on here would have hit the engine start button pretty sharply, particularly those with boats that do not sail particularly well..

Have to say, it's never been my first thought in a developing close-quarters situation. I accept the point in this case - give a burst of speed to pass ahead of the fishing boat - but it's not something I'd generally think to do.

If nothing else, in many cases it's going to cause a sudden change of give-way vessel!

Pete

 

[Conachair]

Hard to expect the sailing ship to second guess the criminal negligence going on aboard the other vessel.

Why shouldn't he have suspected it would have no lookout?

It's a fishing boat, they do that now and again, often enough to warrant some wariness.

If the sailing ship skipper had been a bit more cautious he would have chickened out long before and done something about it or at least have been ready for some last minute action.

And we wouldn't be sitting in our armchair courtroom.

 

[NormanS]

Why would it have been wrong for the sailing vessel to turn to starboard? Surely this would have reduced their closing speed and reduced the likihood off being t-bones amid-ships

What if the sailing vessel had started its engines to give it a bit more speed?


Tudorsailor.

And at just what point in the procedings, do you suggest that the sailing ship should have decided that no action was going to be taken by the fishing boat? And would you like to estimate how long it would take the sailing ship to make a significant turn to starboard, and still be under control?

 

[Athene V30]

And at just what point in the procedings, do you suggest that the sailing ship should have decided that no action was going to be taken by the fishing boat? And would you like to estimate how long it would take the sailing ship to make a significant turn to starboard, and still be under control?

The sailing ship OOW / Master has to make a decision that the other vessel has not taken enough action at a point in time when they can do something to avoid the risk of collision - Rule 2. In the case of a square rigger that decision is much earlier than in a fore and aft rigged vessel.

 

[prv]

Difficult to tell, but I would have thought that with both booms out, it would have been fishing.

Not difficult to tell - the report from the court says they were on the way home after finishing fishing.

Pete

 

[Athene V30]

Difficult to tell, but I would have thought that with both booms out, it would have been fishing. .

If the sailing vessel was uncertain if the fishing boat was fishing or not the assumption should be to err on the side of caution and assume responsibility for collision avoidance, however if they were monitoring radar (as has been suggested they would) they may have judged it to be travelling too fast to be fishing.

 

[[27631]]

It was not fishing...it was travelling.It was a beam trawler...and they often travel with their bare booms down.........stability.