jfm
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Eek sorry but I don't know which exact screws you are talking about. My (ex) F boats are 2004 and 1999 and didn't have any screws showing where they shouldn't, as far as I can remeber
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PowerYachtBlog
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what was the 1999 boat?
jfm
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Phantom 42
PowerYachtBlog
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it is how I say the 42 Phantom
the railing is bolted with the screws with the head being seen
the one you had seems of the last generation with glued like windows
the lower helm of that 40/42 Phantom while comfortable had poor visibility due to the height and angle of the screen
still a lovely boat altough it rides a bit high
the railing is bolted with the screws with the head being seen
the one you had seems of the last generation with glued like windows
the lower helm of that 40/42 Phantom while comfortable had poor visibility due to the height and angle of the screen
still a lovely boat altough it rides a bit high
Coupe
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Guys, I just wanted to say that this is a most enjoyable thread with the added ingrediant of guys debating back and forth with excellent knowledge.
I am only sorry that I cant pitch in being a relative newbie but to say thet in any med marina the Ferretti stands out for me.
I like the off white and the low profile and they seem beamier over similar lenght rivals?
I am with JFM re the helm. We looked at a San Lorenzo 62 recently (San Lorenzo being our favourite style boat) but I couldnt believe the helm. As said above, more ship like than car like which only works when standing. OK I spoze it's AP on and sit back (bolt upright in this case) and perhaps designed for professional skipper but I prefer to helm the boat from time to time.
I have pics somewhere and I will upload shortly.
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SL62 Helm (at least it is on the STBD side for JFM /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
I am only sorry that I cant pitch in being a relative newbie but to say thet in any med marina the Ferretti stands out for me.
I like the off white and the low profile and they seem beamier over similar lenght rivals?
I am with JFM re the helm. We looked at a San Lorenzo 62 recently (San Lorenzo being our favourite style boat) but I couldnt believe the helm. As said above, more ship like than car like which only works when standing. OK I spoze it's AP on and sit back (bolt upright in this case) and perhaps designed for professional skipper but I prefer to helm the boat from time to time.
I have pics somewhere and I will upload shortly.
Edit:
SL62 Helm (at least it is on the STBD side for JFM /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
jfm
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oooh, I dont remember funny railings, with screws showing. I'll have to look thru my old photos! I thought the viz was fine - I did 6000nm in her, in UK and Med! Great boat I thought, for the time (1999)
PowerYachtBlog
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she still is great JFM, but as you say no boat is perfect
oh Son Vida what a boat the SL 62 its just perfect looks love that boat, I think you looked at the old shape not the new SL62 introduced 2 years ago....
that is the new one, with the bathing platform which slide in by the finish
oh Son Vida what a boat the SL 62 its just perfect looks love that boat, I think you looked at the old shape not the new SL62 introduced 2 years ago....
that is the new one, with the bathing platform which slide in by the finish
Coupe
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Hi PY,
It is the new one. I really wanted to like it and flew over to Palma for a look.
The exterior works a treat and I know the interior is fully customisable so unfair to comment on the show boat which is owner specced.
Not a drivers boat imo.
It is the new one. I really wanted to like it and flew over to Palma for a look.
The exterior works a treat and I know the interior is fully customisable so unfair to comment on the show boat which is owner specced.
Not a drivers boat imo.
benjenbav
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Just when you were saying how nice it was to have a thread populated by people who know what they're talking about, I thought I'd put in my 2 cents. Having never set foot on a San Lorenzo, it looks from your photo as though you'd have to be standing to see the screen inset behind the wheel, whereas everything else there is fine from a sitting position, at least until you want to press any buttons on the plotter when you'd have to get up and walk round the wheel.
PowerYachtBlog
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yeah SL have always have ship like helms
still it is customable how you want, I went on 3 old 62s and all had different helm stations
what is strange about all this helm talking is that when speaking to most skippers who work on these boats, they would prefare a helm like this, while the perception of many owners here is that it has to look like the one of a car
I remember once speaking with a captain of a 75 Predator, I dont know if any of you remember the set ups with the 2 recaro seats, LOL I used to hate that seat set up, but this guy told me while it works great for a few minutes cruise, in long deliveries he felt too tight up with them, he went on to add that if he would work on for some period he would discuss with the owner to change them....
still it is customable how you want, I went on 3 old 62s and all had different helm stations
what is strange about all this helm talking is that when speaking to most skippers who work on these boats, they would prefare a helm like this, while the perception of many owners here is that it has to look like the one of a car
I remember once speaking with a captain of a 75 Predator, I dont know if any of you remember the set ups with the 2 recaro seats, LOL I used to hate that seat set up, but this guy told me while it works great for a few minutes cruise, in long deliveries he felt too tight up with them, he went on to add that if he would work on for some period he would discuss with the owner to change them....
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Spoiling the ship for a happorth of tar. It would cost so little to improve the helm seats relative to the cost of the boat, it beggars belief. Actually I like the screws on the window frames. They're nice s/s dome headed ones which look sort of machined
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Actually, Son Vida, it was the off white gel coat which we first noticed ourselves. In fact we'd never heard of Ferrettis until we moored next to one in 2003 and SWMBO pointed out how the off white colour looked classier in the harsh Med sunlight than white. She also noticed the wide side decks, deep toe rails and chunky handrails. I was more interested in the succession of Riviera totty that the owner seemed able to attract on board. Yup, Ferrettis are beamier than rivals which gives them v good accomodation and they are low profile but this is a bit of a visual cheat because they use tinted perspex instead of grp for the flybridge coamings and the flybridges feel a bit exposed as a result. I wouldn't recommend a Ferretti for N Europe because the flybridge gives so little protection from wind/spray
I would say the SL62 helm is just crap because there's nothing to stop you sliding off the helm seat down the stairs to the accomodation. More pics would be great
I would say the SL62 helm is just crap because there's nothing to stop you sliding off the helm seat down the stairs to the accomodation. More pics would be great
jfm
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Yep SV i too love SLs, but that dash on the 62 is a complete failure. You actually have to get out of your chair to play with the screen. How ridiculous.
The SL72 is better but not perfect at the lower helm - one photo below but I don't have a panoramic view. The raymarine screens are nicely customised into the dash panel too. But the upstairs dash on the SL72 is another complete failure. I suppose they'd custom build it, but you'd have to start from scratch with a new design. SL dashes are, basically, beautifully made pieces of total crap
imho, and I know I'm a broken record on this, you gotta be able to play with the nav screens without leaning forward and everything should be angled to almost vertical, never flat. When you are in busy waters at night you play with the nav screens and target tracking lots. A few boats get this right, but not many. the Sq55 and Sq58 (but not 70 and 78) are exemplary on this score
Hey PY, sure one captian guy might say he doesn't want a supportive seat and prefers a slab of foam, fine. But surely most folks can see that something like the seats below is generally better. I'm having a line of three of these installed on the flybr of the new boat, far forward so the navigator can operate 2x 12inch (near vertical) screens and 3x ST70 displays all without even leaning forward, so his back stays on the backrest of the seat! I think that makes for a good dashboard, so I'll have to disagree with the captain you mention!
The SL72 is better but not perfect at the lower helm - one photo below but I don't have a panoramic view. The raymarine screens are nicely customised into the dash panel too. But the upstairs dash on the SL72 is another complete failure. I suppose they'd custom build it, but you'd have to start from scratch with a new design. SL dashes are, basically, beautifully made pieces of total crap
imho, and I know I'm a broken record on this, you gotta be able to play with the nav screens without leaning forward and everything should be angled to almost vertical, never flat. When you are in busy waters at night you play with the nav screens and target tracking lots. A few boats get this right, but not many. the Sq55 and Sq58 (but not 70 and 78) are exemplary on this score
Hey PY, sure one captian guy might say he doesn't want a supportive seat and prefers a slab of foam, fine. But surely most folks can see that something like the seats below is generally better. I'm having a line of three of these installed on the flybr of the new boat, far forward so the navigator can operate 2x 12inch (near vertical) screens and 3x ST70 displays all without even leaning forward, so his back stays on the backrest of the seat! I think that makes for a good dashboard, so I'll have to disagree with the captain you mention!
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Those Recaros look fantastic, jfm. How is the frame fixed to the helm seat plinth? My plinth has a locker in it accessed from a lid right under where any seats would be fixed. The ideal situation would be for the Recaros to hinge forward to allow access to the locker underneath. I don't suppose they can be made to do that, can they??
MapisM
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If the lid is strong and large enough, and if it can be locked in the closed position, you could maybe fix the seat directly to it?
Obviously checking in advance if there aren't obstacles to the seat movement when opening the lid...
Obviously checking in advance if there aren't obstacles to the seat movement when opening the lid...
jfm
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Could be done. The recaro frames have 6 M6 tapped holes in the base of the frame. 2 at the rear (ie under the base of the backrest) and two pairs at the front. You can see one of the front pairs in the photo - the two tiny "bulbous bits" in the upholstery show the position. The recaros need to be attached to a flate plat (supplied by customer) to give the required support to the seat foam. Fairline attach them to a piece of alu 6mm sheet, 425x350mm, using M6 set screws. Painted white, you can see the edge of the plate in that pic. That plate is in turn attached to the seat base-box or the slider mechanism. I'm using the same method on my boat, so as to preserve the fore-aft slider mechanism.
It would be a simple job for a decent fitter to do on your boat. For example, you could do the same but hinge the alu plate onto your base box, so the seat can tip forward?
BTW, I recommend you sit on these seats at LBS if you visit the F stand. So much better than the slab-of-foam seating used by most boatbuilders. You will just have to have a set when you've tried them!
If anyone wants to buy 3x brand new standard Sq58 flybr seats, let me know! Same design as these, but in beige vinyl. Flat plywood bases, so would srew/bolt onto an existing seat box etc. £180 the set. Currently in Essex
It would be a simple job for a decent fitter to do on your boat. For example, you could do the same but hinge the alu plate onto your base box, so the seat can tip forward?
BTW, I recommend you sit on these seats at LBS if you visit the F stand. So much better than the slab-of-foam seating used by most boatbuilders. You will just have to have a set when you've tried them!
If anyone wants to buy 3x brand new standard Sq58 flybr seats, let me know! Same design as these, but in beige vinyl. Flat plywood bases, so would srew/bolt onto an existing seat box etc. £180 the set. Currently in Essex