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meracus

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hi guys
seen a couple around , decent pricing that leaves room to spruce up nicely
anybody have experience with these , given ferretti reputation , I would assume a nice solid craft but I thought I ask
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andre
 
Better proposition going Fwds re running costs and berthing than the AB 55 .
Does everything you require but not as fast , so what ? Fast enough.
Find a well maintained one that’s the tricky part .
My guardian has the FB version with CATs .FWIW

Where are you planning to keep the bigger boat ?
 
Still in Mallorca , In marina S’estanoyl , we’re we have our fiart , lifting is 130 , dry 550 water high season 1600
Have budget for flexiteek / mechanical once over and new upholstery/ wrapping / electronic ( own trade )
Looked as beamy with the addition of a salon , we don’t really care about cabins that much , ours are immaculate and really seldom used like twice in 4 years
bow look larger , we don’t do fast ! We cala hop and been quite succeful with charters this year
Thanks
 
I’m working in Portugal this week and plan to see one in cascais and wouldn’t be averse to buying abroad , there’s none in Mallorca as far as I can see
spain would be great , France Italy would be good ( spoke to halcyon transport before and they seem reasonable
 
Yes large ish open day boats have tonnes of appeal amongst villa / property owners .Same here BTW .

There is something nice climbing out of the sea ,showering off and flopping down on a huge sunpad at the stern , or dinning at a huge table in the cockpit under the Bimini feeling the breeze .

14/15 M is about right for a couple with a few guests now and again .

I am on my 45 th day and counting thus far this season , it’s rained once ( went to Antibes our property ) and putting the covers on is easy anyhow .
 
There was two versions of the 47 Altura called S the first and Open the second if I remember well.
S - The first was actually nicer with the aft looking radar arch and looked more modern. 1989-90
Open - The second had a near vertical forward looking radar arch which ended with two poles. 91-92.
Cats 3208 powered 380 or 420s. They had some small changed to the interior but I really cant remember.

This model used the hull of the 44 Altura. They made about twenty of them.
A friend of mine had the S for ten years. Never a dead beat he told me, and once returning from Sardinina in early September he had sea mountains, but the lady still brought him home albeit a bit wet.
It was a time when people who looked at open boats did not know Ferretti did them.... So they where the last in the packaging order.
Even though worth to note Ferretti invented the garage with the 35 PortoRotondo in 1985, a feature which changed open boats after that more then they would have ever imagined, and much before Sunseeker and MBY told us they invented it in 1991 with the 60 Renegade....
 
Thanks for that , the one I see are fitted with cat 3208 375 … is that a reliable power plant
Is the consumption massively different from a d6 350 like we have I’ll take more fuel / reliability any day instead of the Volvo mafia around our parish !
 
meracus said:
Thanks for that , the one I see are fitted with cat 3208 375 … is that a reliable power plant
Is the consumption massively different from a d6 350 like we have I’ll take more fuel / reliability any day instead of the Volvo mafia around our parish !
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I like the 3208, some dont. They like to run warm, I know who has 5000 hours on some.
Volvo D6 cannot be compared. 5.5 liter power plant to a 10.6 liter old generation diesel.

Consumption should be about 6 liter per nm with the Ferretti 47.
A 12 meter with D6 and stern drives usually drinks about 3.5 liter per nm.
 
What do you mean cannot compare , fuel usage ? I expect it to be more from what I heard , any other paramètre to compare ? I’m sure noisier ( we not too concerned ) slower ( we don’t rush anyways 20 knots is plenty ) , what else to consider ?
thanks
 
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Im assuming it’s a 3208 , broker unsure yet
 

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The 425 is the lesser reliable it’s too souped up .The 375 is the 3208 sweet spot .
As far as longevity I think PYB means the larger displacement motor basically will last longer .It’s base block was used in a multitude of on land examples, buses , trucks , plant , generators etc .
Where as your D6 was designed by VP as a dedicated high speed marine compact highly efficient package .


Marine Diesel life I quote you this below from respected American marine diesel guys .

Diesel engines are capable of having a long life when the power to displacement ratio is low. But when they start jacking up the power, beyond what the manufacturer originally intended, that benefit disappears. There is a very simple formula you can apply to estimate service life: simply multiply the cubic inch displacement of the engine times one. The result is the maximum amount of horse power you can have and still expect a reasonable service life. A 6V92 engine is 552 CID; at powers greater than 550, these engines don't last. At 450, they'll go 10 - 15 years easily.

. Now, an 8V71 has a 568 cubic inch displacement; the fact that these engines have a 0.56:1 power/displacement ratio explains why they could run so long.

Conversely, divide the CID by the horse power, and the greater the result UNDER the factor of one (1), the longer engine life you can expect. If you have an engine with an 0.70 CID/HP ratio, then you can expect greater than 3000 hours engine life.

You fuel burn figure 2x .Bigger boat with 2x the engine size with old fashioned injector pumps .Thats a benefit imho .The less electrotwackery in a boat motor the better .A D6 is maxed out esp if IPS .You are at the mercy of the “ Volvo Penta mafia “
They are everywhere btw nit just near you . :)

Sound proofing .Yes they will be noisier than your D6 s .Bigger , more bang in 2x the size cylinder .You can easily DIY extra sound proofing.It’s what I did moving from 3.7 L to 12.8 L

That ER access pic looks great .= easy DIY oil changes and easy maintenance.

You sort of following a path I took going older , simpler and open .Depreciation proof and lower ownership costs .

20 knots will be fine …..we sometimes just up anchor and go for a cruise just to get a breeze , for the hell of it .

So do the maths and see where the numbers are .;)
 
Thanks everyone !
got A quote from halcyon marine of 3750 all inc Porto to Mallorca , ex fuel ( 1000 nm )
Waiting on truck prices from Portugal
Will report on sea trials
 
meracus said:
Im assuming it’s a 3208 , broker unsure yet
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If you are sure it's a photo of "your" boat (and I'm saying this because wrong pics in boat ads are not unheard of!), then yes, 3208 they are for good.

Out of curiosity, do you also know if the photo was taken with the whole cockpit floor removed for some reason, or is the whole opening hinged, hence making that the normal e/r access?
I'm asking because I've never been on an Altura open, but if the latter, you'll love it.
I've only seen that type of large opening on a late 80s Ferretti 185, but for reasons that escape me, they abandoned that solution in newer models.
 
meracus said:
Im assuming it’s a 3208 , broker unsure yet
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Zoomed in on this pic .
I know armchair ….well actually cockpit seating on my own boat :) .
Clean , fresh hoses , fresh hose clips , no overspray , correct labels .Newly painted bilge .No fluid spillage witness marks .

So it looks as if the guys looking after them , kept up .

I wonder if they have had a rebuild , been lifted out ? If so great .

Worth chasing this one if the ER pic is indicative of the rest of the boat .
 
I know the trick ! Similar behaviour in dating apps , where submitted picture was from thatcher era !
have more pics …. All tally up ( Giza wearing a mask evidence ) , and yes no floor removal …. Simply a a hydro strut under sun pad …. Interior redone etc
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Consumption should be about 6 liter per nm with the Ferretti 47.
A 12 meter with D6 and stern drives usually drinks about 3.5 liter per nm.
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Apples and oranges, but much more due to the different transmissions, rather than the engines.
If you would mate the D6 to solid inline shafts on a large and heavy 14+m boat, rather than to some silly DPH outdrives needing to be taken apart every other year in a modern 12m open made of cardboard and weighing much less, the fuel burn would be much more comparable, in spite of the 3208 venerable age and design.
 
MapisM said:
Apples and oranges, but much more due to the different transmissions, rather than the engines.
If you would mate the D6 to solid inline shafts on a large and heavy 14+m boat, rather than to some silly DPH outdrives needing to be taken apart every other year in a modern 12m open made of cardboard and weighing much less, the fuel burn would be much more comparable, in spite of the 3208 venerable age and design.
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Careful P you will end up on the naughty step with me ! :)
 
MapisM said:
Apples and oranges, but much more due to the different transmissions, rather than the engines.
If you would mate the D6 to solid inline shafts on a large and heavy 14+m boat, rather than to some silly DPH outdrives needing to be taken apart every other year in a modern 12m open made of cardboard and weighing much less, the fuel burn would be much more comparable, in spite of the 3208 venerable age and design.
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I don’t think the ops wanting to compare like for like similar jigs .
He just wants a ball park number of the rise in fuel from boat to boat .If he reckons 2x and can live with that then that’s not a barrier .

For Eg as you know I went from 80 Lh/ h to 160-180 in one step dropping the VP hassle yes .

Could I go up a few steps more say to 400-500 L / hr or from €3500 annual inc anodes to €10000 .Say A cheap AB 68 or Mangusta 72/80 …..Nope .Not for our usage pattern .

I gave mentioned this before a friend had a few days in the CdA on our tiny Porto 35 .The then smallest in the range .
Loved it wanted to get in on the boaty scene ,Sunseeker did then a whole turn key .
Despite my advise “buy a small one” he waded in at a Pred 92 , the Load Line thingy max without legit crew .A cancelled order the Pinocchio nosed sales guy said .He did some home work on the LLL .

Palma based his first boat delivered Easter .That Easter was unusually cold snow capped peaks etc .
They had to wear jackets etc .Not quite the sunny CdA in August !
It was the fuel burn he couldn’t get his head round near 1000 Lh.
Boat was listed in the Autumn .Wife did not like sleeping on it …something to do with the water line at the mid cabin windows spooked her .They charter now .
It’s wasn’t the buy in or berth it was the fuel bill every trip .
 
I must admit, my fuel bill this time has made me re think what and where I will be doing my boating in the future, over £4K for a few days holiday ?
 
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