PaulRainbow
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Don't count on it. You'll note that the forward cabin was shared with 'girlfriends'. I reckon there were 4 or 5 of them in there.
Coulda been dwarves
fender stowage
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Coulda been dwarves
solent clown
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Coulda been dwarves
dont be dissin' the short stuff Paul, Karen will bite your knees off
Daydream believer
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Easily explained; on any boat under say 40' - and I'm not too sure even then - an aft cabin leads to a fat arse design often requiring the horrible twin rudders * associated linkages ( and splayed loads if on drying moorings ) - high cockpit sole so one feels like being on stage with Status Quo, and tiny cockpit lockers.
I've managed many Solent weekends, 3 week trips around the Channel Isles & west many a time sharing the forepeak with girlfriends, and was was still well able to stow my fender !
Andy
The boat in this photo has an aft cabin with standing headroom of 6ft 4 to change. 7ft long double berth. c.w hanging locker & shelves. Along side is a cavernous locker that takes all the spare sails plus 2 fold up bikes or the dinghy plus spare bags if one so wishes. The cockpit is deep enough to take the liferaft under the mainsheet traveller
But I can see nothing on this 31 ft boat that suggests that it is " fat arsed" so can you tell me what you mean by that phrase & how you justify your claim that aft cabin naturally means a wide stern
Incidentally the aft locker holds 3 - 20 litre cans of spare fuel plus the fenders & lines, boathook etc with ease so storage is not limited
Tiller steerd but some models have wheels for the single rudder
I personally prefer the aft cabin to playing tootsie in the forward berth ( 6ft 9 long by the way)
So once again I feel that your assertions have been disproved
Seajet
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I'd be interested to see these palatial aft cabins, and the cockpit lockers,
Yes Pan's People used to share the A22 forepeak with me often, sorry I was too busy to take any pics to prove it and that would have been ungentlemanly anyway.
An A22 near me has a crew of mum and dad, and FOUR kids - probably much bigger than when I last saw them - I always thought they must be kept stacked vertically in those ghastly fender holder / chaff dispenser jobs like you see on mobo's.
Yes Pan's People used to share the A22 forepeak with me often, sorry I was too busy to take any pics to prove it and that would have been ungentlemanly anyway.
An A22 near me has a crew of mum and dad, and FOUR kids - probably much bigger than when I last saw them - I always thought they must be kept stacked vertically in those ghastly fender holder / chaff dispenser jobs like you see on mobo's.
Daydream believer
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Actually, on a length to width ratio I suppose an Anderson 22 must rate as "fat arsed"
And talking of forepeak -we have not started on the Anderson ski slope to get to the bow yet.
I note that you have still not acknowledged that you were wrong re the aft cabin & boat length etc !!!!
LittleSister
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That's fine wafting about in the Solent, but in any sort of sea or a blow some of them will escape back over the side, trust me.
You must also have impressively wide side decks (or tiny fenders!) for them not to be in the way on a smallish boat. (I do it occasionally, but like Praxinoscope, I find it a bit inconvenient and risky.)
I'm liking the double hook arrangement duncan and others use. I'll give that a try.
benchmark
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Considering all the rituals the and safety checks done before during and after I sail, the simple task of lifting and placing the fenders in their holders Is just a little procedure that takes 2 mins at the most. I have the small plastic clips for fast attachment / adjustment .
Folk who sail with fenders dangling from the sides of the boat or lying loose on deck are just adding one more risk that can complicate things in certain emergency situations.
Fender holders are not expensive.
Folk who sail with fenders dangling from the sides of the boat or lying loose on deck are just adding one more risk that can complicate things in certain emergency situations.
Fender holders are not expensive.
mariadz
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We las ways used to flip them but that blocks the access to the bow. We had a mast pulpit fitted and I now tie them on this. It slightly blocks forward visibility but not too badly.
solent clown
RIP
unfortunately we do have wide side decks - as the designers seemed to value that over internal space! I take your point about being in rougher seas, we will see how they fare now we are striking out further ans in more weather.
KellysEye
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We used canvas fender holders tied inside the rail there are also metal ones here: https://www.force4.co.uk/force-4-fe...MI8ovx1Zmo3AIVy53tCh0AGASXEAQYAiABEgIQT_D_BwE Obviously check the size.
Stemar
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We're fortunate that Jissel has a lazarette than takes the fenders comfortably in spite of my preference for fenders that are long enough to protect the hull whatever the height of the pontoon. They get put away on our way down the harbour.
The Admiral, admirable though she certainly is in other respects, doesn't do knots, so I set up our main 4 fenders with a kind of plastic snap shackle at the right length for each stanchion and numbered them, so No 1 goes just forward of the forward stanchion, and so on to No 4 which goes at the quarter. It's a system that has helped to preserve marital harmony for many years. Limited mobility means she tends to take the helm while I deal with the fenders now, but it's still a convenient system.
On the subject of knots, my Dazed Kipper instructor didn't like clove hitches as intermittent pulling on them can make them loosen, causing evaporation of the fender. He insisted on a round turn & 2 half hitches.
The Admiral, admirable though she certainly is in other respects, doesn't do knots, so I set up our main 4 fenders with a kind of plastic snap shackle at the right length for each stanchion and numbered them, so No 1 goes just forward of the forward stanchion, and so on to No 4 which goes at the quarter. It's a system that has helped to preserve marital harmony for many years. Limited mobility means she tends to take the helm while I deal with the fenders now, but it's still a convenient system.
On the subject of knots, my Dazed Kipper instructor didn't like clove hitches as intermittent pulling on them can make them loosen, causing evaporation of the fender. He insisted on a round turn & 2 half hitches.
prv
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I like clove hitches initially as it’s easy to adjust the height of the fender by lifting the middle part of the knot and pulling one side or the other as you release it. But once everything’s settled, I go round and put an extra slipped half-hitch around the standing part to prevent any loosening.
Pete
SiteSurfer
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+1
capnsensible
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++1
paulieraw
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Pans People, you are showing your age lol
paulieraw
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I used to teach day Skipper as well I would agree if you are leaving the boat for a few weeks but for overnight or a couple of days, clove hitches are far superior they are so easily undone and adjusted. If I leave my boat for any time I still use a clove hitch with a half hitch. However as I always say "there is more than one way to skin...", well you get the picture.
thinwater
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I tie the fenders to the berth. They are there when I return, like a ferry landing. (I have another set stowed for travel).
michael_w
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I was brought up in a school that demanded that the fenders were off the topsides within a nano second leaving the dock. So they get stowed in the cockpit locker everytime.
Seeing another boat with fenders dangling is a useful early warning that the people onboard may be inexperienced. I've never seen the point in retying them so they hang off the transom either.
Daftest case I've ever seen was on an Atlantic Crossing. We were just south of the Cape Verdes in very light winds. A boat motored past with not only a Senegal courtesy flag up but all the fenders too. They must have sailed 500 miles like that.
Seeing another boat with fenders dangling is a useful early warning that the people onboard may be inexperienced. I've never seen the point in retying them so they hang off the transom either.
Daftest case I've ever seen was on an Atlantic Crossing. We were just south of the Cape Verdes in very light winds. A boat motored past with not only a Senegal courtesy flag up but all the fenders too. They must have sailed 500 miles like that.
RupertW
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I think you meant, not experienced enough. Once you learn all the school stuff you gradually stop doing the stuff that doesn't actually help you, and your experience of the boat having done 500 miles is a perfect example of why untieing and tying them is completely unnecessary, but a personal choice.
I do make the small effort of dropping them onto the side deck but anything above that will just mean more work at the next anchorage, for a part of sailing that I've never had any interest. Sail tweak yes, fender etiquette no, but I have been sailing for enough time to work out what is important for me.
pmagowan
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We take ours in. I tie them with my own modification of a clove hitch which probably has a name! I start off as if making a clove hitch but dont complete the second turn and tuck instead doing a quick release half hitch round the fender end of the line. This holds fast and tightens as the fender tugs on it but will release with a good pull on the free end. I supose it is really 2 round turns (but overlapping in a clove hitch way) and a quick release half hitch. Works for me