Female only day skipper

snowleopard said:
Why would one want a 'women only' course? I can only think that it is to avoid either being 'hit on' or put on tea making duty.

There's not a lot a school can do about the first but one would expect grown up ladies to be able to sort anyone who tries it on but the second case would surely result in the school going out of business fairly quickly.

A question for anyone (of either sex) who has been to a sailing school in the last 20 years - have you seen women being sidelined either by instructors or male students?

Or is it a privacy issue? The last sailing school I went out with had a 4-berth cabin shared my a mixed crew of strangers. It didn't seem to bother anyone.
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Agreed. Beats me. I think we should be told...
 
snowleopard said:
A question for anyone (of either sex) who has been to a sailing school in the last 20 years - have you seen women being sidelined either by instructors or male students?
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Did my DS practical with a boat full of girls - only males were me and the Skipper. No problems at all. Here we are anchored in Cawsand bay.

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tudorsailor said:
My 24 year old daughter asked about doing a day skipper practical course. I thought she would enjoy somewhere warm rather than the Solent! Tenerife seems a pleasant option or maybe Gib. I know that some schools have ladies only courses. I seem to recall a school called ladys4sail or something similar, but cannot now find it on the Net

Can anyone (or their SWMBO) recommend a suitable school?

Thanks

TudorSailor
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I just realized Sail Ionian do Lady only Dayskipper courses.

http://www.sailionian.com/

You don't say what she plans to do with the qualification so maybe the Tidal bit won't be important to her.
 
snowleopard said:
Why would one want a 'women only' course?.
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There is a quite a body of evidence that 'ladies' tend to learn most effectively when in single sex environments. This might be a reason for requesting/running ladies only courses.

Interestingly 'gentlemen' tend to learn least effectively in single sex conditions. Admittedly most of this research concerns younger people at schools, but it is a well established trend and I don't see why it wouldn't apply to adults learning to sail.
 
JohnMilsom said:
There is a quite a body of evidence that 'ladies' tend to learn most effectively when in single sex environments. This might be a reason for requesting/running ladies only courses.

Interestingly 'gentlemen' tend to learn least effectively in single sex conditions. Admittedly most of this research concerns younger people at schools, but it is a well established trend and I don't see why it wouldn't apply to adults learning to sail.
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I would like to see the research 'body of evidence' to confirm that John...
After 21 years of teaching and 30 years of coaching sport I have my doubts.
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SWMBO did a comp crew course with girls only. She hadn't requested that, but one of the other women had as she claimed that if there was a mixed crew then the men tended to hog the instruction and get more of a go on everything. SWMBO felt she was able to sort out any man who tried it (I'd agree :)) but she felt this girl was right in her assessment.

The crew comprised SWMBO (early 50s) a slightly younger woman (40s) and two young and lovelies (around 20 and gorgeous). Apparently they each took half an hour to put on their make up before setting off each day but were quite good when they actually got sailing.

Instructor was male and SWMBO remarked his problem was not in not knowing where to look, "he knew exactly where to look - he just didn't want to be caught doing it".
 
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Scotty_Tradewind said:
I would like to see the research 'body of evidence' to confirm that John...
After 21 years of teaching and 30 years of coaching sport I have my doubts.
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I'm sure this isn't the best, or only reference, and given the politics and other sensitivites involved I'm sure you can find some debate on the matter. I am not vouching for the integrity of this particular author or claiming to be an expert personally. Equally I don't want to upset anybody - I was attempting to offer an answer to a question. However here's a starter to help kick start your literature review that looks relevant (!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Girls-Boys-...9922/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304938605&sr=8-1

Enjoy
 
snowleopard said:
Why would one want a 'women only' course? I can only think that it is to avoid either being 'hit on' or put on tea making duty.

Or is it a privacy issue? The last sailing school I went out with had a 4-berth cabin shared my a mixed crew of strangers. It didn't seem to bother anyone.
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My wife wanted a girl only course so I sent her down to the Solent on a course one Friday night...the boat was dominated by one heavy-weight lady crew who was hard to move off the wheel; and the lady trainer seemed not weighty enough to even up the score. Result - not much learned. Moral - don't presume a girl only crew is going to be the best experience. And you can read more in Tracy Edwards' account of going round the world...

In my experience male crew are more likely to look out for the ladies aboard than scheme to score off them.

PWG
 
I think your experience is more to do with your instructor. When I did mine I was the only lady, but our instructor was brilliant with me. He made sure I had equal time doing everything and he treated us all equally in everything else as well.
 
Canary Sail not only run the occassional girls only boat and have female instructors, but are one of the few schools that only put 4 students on a boat, rather that the normal 5:1 ratio. They have the presttiest marina in the Canaries too. Dolphins, whales, turtles, all seen on a regular basis !
Call Alex, she will ensure you have a good time sailing and as a holiday. Just say "Trouble" recommended you :)
 
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