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Lozzer said:
Hi JFM

Hope you are well.

I will work on spec as it is more than base from Princess. We put quite a few extras on like stabilisers, dive compressor, twin KVH satellite systems, upgraded nav systems, two Sea bobs, Upgraded to sports Williams upgraded AV kit, upgraded domestic batteries, plus a raft of other stuff.

Thanks for feedback

Those interested in replacement yacht, I am afraid we are going to the dark side. Plan is to do a circumnavigation and the P85 just doesnt have the range....

She isn't a charter yacht just one that is well used by her owner. I we don't do circa 6000 miles a year something is up. Have boat will travel as they say. I laughed when you mentioned the horseshoe life ring you have never liked them.

The 9 berths is by way of a pulman in the 3rd VIP. We installed it due to sleeping arrangements at the time of purchase. Gensets only have circa 1100 hours each
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Hi L. Yes all good here thanks and hope same with you.
I would add the genset hours to the spec sheet because they're low, and I'd say that it has had private use only not charter.
The extras you list do not separate it from the pack alas. I'd guess virtually all p85 have Trac fins and the other extras are not expensive and are not killer features to make it stand out. Those F7s must get on your nerves due to their weight. The new F5 is flying off the shelves because only 28kg

Deleted User makes an important point about £-€. After a long time at 1.23 ish we are at 1.30 ish. Experts will tell you the natural rate now is 1.35 and that we are only at 1.30 because of general election risk in UK. If UK get a non hung parliament you could well see 1.35 therefore, because of the euro central bank's current quantitative easing ie printing a stack of euros. The £2.6m will then look crazy, perhaps not much different from a new ferretti 870 and more than a new 800. Basically it is going to be very tough competing with boats that are naturally euro priced
 
BTW Lozzer, with apols for drifting briefly to "spot the location", the marina shots moored stbd side to on a pontoon are in San Antonio, Ibiza, right? I've parked in that very strip!
 
Correct spot JFM I am not sure about SA we stayed there fora week as I had a bunch of 18 year olds on board. Hostess reported seeing some strange sights when collecting bread in the morning. Having said that it served our purpose. Friendly and helpful staff

A local boat has an F5 yes weight difference is immense but when you are "buff" lugging around 60kg is nothing. Only joking, they are hard work so 1.5 man job or crane. They are best toy onboard though, everyone loves them
 
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+1 for the photos. They look dull and don't show the interior as well as they could if they were properly illuminated as already suggested. I would probably add a few more to show the entire boat in detail with some close ups as well as wider view shots. Listing a boat is the shop window so worth the effort and if necessary expense to have a professional and comprehensive website.

I didn't see the history regarding the name but I would tend to disagree with the suggestion to get rid of it. I think that a 'Histroy' tab would be useful to provide a detailed history of ownership and use so that the questions about possible charter and high hours etc are addressed up front. An outline of presumably comprehensive maintenance would help address the perceptions about hours. No problem with explaining the reason for the name IMHO because it adds interest to what others have described as a very standard boat. May not be relevant to some but they can ignore it and it is unlikely to have a negative effect.
 
Create a or some USP,s
Boat no chance
But how about xyz time free mooring ( if you are all jumping ship so to speak )
And free crew to fit in with new build
Need to bag a newby unfamiliar with boats that appreciates the above
This is on top of the price attenuation
 
jfm said:
This is going to be difficult to shift I think. It's very bog standard
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I understand the point about the colour scheme being a bit bit safe, but out of interest what do you think is missing from the spec? It has stabs, twin gennies, water maker, hardtop, teak all over, big jet rib plus PWC, decent nav and entertainment system, hot tub, a dive compressor and u/w lights, so it's not immediately obvious (to me at least) what's missing.
 
Regarding the photos: the interior is designed to look good under the boats own lighting so you could take some further pics when it's dark and turn all the lights on. Turn off the flash and use a tripod to get a long enough exposure.
 
Considering the value of the boat, maybe it would be worth the cost of a couple of easyjet flights and a day rate or two for a professional photographer to do some really good photos. Perhaps Snooks would do it. (Snooks: if you get this job my agents fee is the usual 10% ;) )
 
Nick_H said:
I understand the point about the colour scheme being a bit bit safe, but out of interest what do you think is missing from the spec? It has stabs, twin gennies, water maker, hardtop, teak all over, big jet rib plus PWC, decent nav and entertainment system, hot tub, a dive compressor and u/w lights, so it's not immediately obvious (to me at least) what's missing.
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Yup Nick it has all the right boxes ticked, and "safely" ticked. Thing is, they're all standard tick-box options that nearly all other p85 have, so they do not get you out of the "race to the bottom" on price. What you need, purely imho, are USPs in the form of significant features that are not on the tick box option list. A few years ago that might have been fins but not any more of course. A 3rd fuel tank or special interior would do it, for example.

Now this boat doesn't have those things and never will, in which case "so be it" and imho the price therefore needs to be sharpened up especially with EU central bank printing money and the GBP/Euro FX rate heading the "wrong way" for this transaction

Also as regards tick box options, the bunk bedded 4th cabin option (ie 3.5 guest cabins on an 85 boat) + absence of wood floors are negatives.
 
Lozzer said:
Correct spot JFM I am not sure about SA we stayed there fora week as I had a bunch of 18 year olds on board. Hostess reported seeing some strange sights when collecting bread in the morning. Having said that it served our purpose. Friendly and helpful staff

A local boat has an F5 yes weight difference is immense but when you are "buff" lugging around 60kg is nothing. Only joking, they are hard work so 1.5 man job or crane. They are best toy onboard though, everyone loves them
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Haha - thought so. Yes the staff were nice and helpful there, and the berthing price was vaguely sensible by Ibiza standards-as in €475/night rather than €1000+ in July.

Yup the F5 is a revelation. I have one and you carry it with one hand - feels about same as a heavy suitcase but perfectly ok for one person to carry and a world apart from F7. You wouldn't dream of using the crane. Loads of boats near me have switched to F5s and there are a zillion F7s available secondhand
 
neale said:
Considering the value of the boat, maybe it would be worth the cost of a couple of easyjet flights and a day rate or two for a professional photographer to do some really good photos. Perhaps Snooks would do it. (Snooks: if you get this job my agents fee is the usual 10% ;) )
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Agreed, video as well.
Just been looking at some video shot for the Sirius DS40 by Graham ....Excellent
http://grahamsnook.com/360/siriusvideo/
 
Just to add my 2p worth.

Price-wise I can only bow to the knowledge of others having not been out to try and buy an 85 recently but £1.5 with a £1.75m asking does seem a bit hard given what's out there. I'm not saying people are wrong just that I'd try to sharpen the advert up and go for a more modest reduction first depending how desperate you are to get rid. I would also dampen down JFM's dislike of sensible. I'd much rather be selling sensible than funky. My quick search brought up one boat which reminded me of an African Safari :) You can always buy 30 scatter cushions....

From a presentation point of view the first thing to say is how would someone find the page? If you search all the boat classified sites is it listed with a link to the page ? I suspect not from a quick check.

Now for the bad news, if it was a 1990 flybridge at £70k or a really crappy broker who couldn't be bothered then your mini site is spot on. At £2.6 million plus Vat I'm left not feeling the love.

The photos are not good I'm afraid, at no point did I feel the juices flowing or my underpants creaking to the point whereby I would hop on a plane and come over. I'd send you a quick text message and bid you in the balls on the off chance I can grab a bargain.

So what's wrong with the photos?

Well some of them are easy, the soiled towels lying around, the ultra wide angle shot of a scale model helm position, the box of jizz wipe tissues etc in the helm table shot, some strange dream catching feathers hanging over the bed and the Amoco Cadiz along side the window. The bunk room looks like its off a 35 not an 85, in fact the whole boat looks tiny inside and I know it isn't. All the photos just look a bit self shot on an iPhone.

Its easy to criticise, much harder to correct but I really think it is critical to get your photos right. Taking them on a bright sunny day is giving yourself all sorts of problems with bright areas, dark areas and so on. But those photos are all people have to go on. Buyers want to visually smell the coffee and fresh baked bread, they want to think wow, this thing is like brand new. There are some tricks you can do to achieve that, a good photographer will be able to do that for you.

Slick up the page layout a bit. Less is more particularly the blue banner which takes up half my screen and personally I don't want to know what the boat is called because in my mind I'm buying a brand new boat. I'm going to be the first person to sleep in the bed, sit on the toilet and have his missus wash up in the sink. It will have my name on the transom not someone else's. You can't do anything about the photo of the transom - well actually you can, but I don't need it staring at me front and centre in the advert.

The layout - is that the best layout image available on the internet? Its tiny to the point where it angers me - ok so I need help and therapy but it isn't really doing anything to help me visualise where all the bikini clad babes are going to sleep or how the photos string together.

Where is the boat lying if I wanted to have a gander? I'm guessing its a Spanishian mobile but I could do with a bit more. Who's owned it, why is it for sale, who's looked after it all that sort of stuff. Set it apart from a boat which hasn't had the benefit of a man of your calibre tending to its every need and whim.

I'm sorry if all this comes across as being harsh or nasty. I genuinely don't mean anything personally, I just want to help you get it sold and hopefully for a bit of a premium over the lowest priced 85 on the planet.

Good luck.

Henry :)
 
harstonwood said:
Agreed, video as well.
Just been looking at some video shot for the Sirius DS40 by Graham ....Excellent
http://grahamsnook.com/360/siriusvideo/
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Possibly but videos take such a long time to trawl through and it is really hard to make it look anything other than a bloke with a camera on a tripod.

I would probably go down the photo route and if you did want to make a video then do a general video but make it very sexy. You're trying to copy the best a manufacturer can produce.

I always think a good promotional site or images etc need the words "this is the actual boat for sale" in there because hopefully they are so good people will assume you've just nicked Princess promo material.

I'm not a professional. This was our recent holiday cruise so clearly not a motor boat but it shows what I mean in terms of making it look sexy.



Henry :)
 
Henry, that's one heck of a pro-feel video with much "looking sexy". Respect!

Ref my dislike of sensible, it isn't about "dislike" or "like" here. It's about differentiating the boat so it is not in the same race (to the bottom) when selling. Sure, breaking away from the pack with a weird interior is counter productive and sensible is always better than weird because at least you get to run in the race. But if (say) you have OEM stabilisers in a class of boat that doesn't have them, or an extra fuel tank to give proper range, and some proper upgrades that are widely accepted by non weirdo's as better than the factory original rather than just reflecting the first owner's whims, then you are imho in a stronger selling position.

Sort of like having a 1000hp 911, the only one in the world, but done OEM in build by the factory rather than in a local railway arch tuning shop, and also not painted pink.

Slightly academic because this boat is "safe beige" ie standard spec with standard options ticked, and therefore it is in "the race". Its differentiators need to be just excellent immaculate perfect condition, some glamour/appeal in the photography as you and others are suggesting, and perhaps the freebies Portofino suggests like a free berth until the Oyster arrives
 
I hear what you are saying John. As you say it's all in the presentation. Thankfully the boating world doesn't set their bar too high.

I wonder if there's any mileage to be had from some sort of professional skipper hand over / familiarisation time. Much better than rocking up at the broker's office, handing over your bag of cash then you're on your own. With this boat you could have a few days with the current skipper familiarising, getting to know the little tricks and even delivering it to your new berth at the same time. For the relatively modest cost, given the new owner is paying for fuel and pork pies, it would give peace of mind.

Henry :)
 
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