Fake Offshore Jackets

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Fake quality trainers, handbags, womens shoes are commonplace-anyone come across or heard of fake Musto, HLloyd or Gill say. Seen an offshore jacket that looks a good price but the manufacturers listing does not show that jacket in that colour?
 
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck........... It's a duck :) ?

No such thing as a free lunch??

Buy cheap, buy twice?

You always have to wonder why someone is selling something significantly cheaper than the rest of the market.. and that is obviously what you are doing.
 
Musto produce in China and there are plenty of other suppliers in the garment industry who see the prices at which Musto sell and it is very easy to copy, or look like the real thing. Additionally Musto's actual manufacturer may make trial runs, maybe for Musto, that Musto may not like and may make product that Musto rejects, wrong colour for example.

There are a whole host of reasons why you might see Musto garments cheap - some may be excellent, simply the wrong colour. Most will be a load of rubbish. Sadly - its difficult to tell the difference until you have parted with genuine money.

Jonathan
 
I picked up a pair of jeans in M&S for £2.50 the other week, apparently end of the line and they wanted them sold.
 
C08 said:
Fake quality trainers, handbags, womens shoes are commonplace-anyone come across or heard of fake Musto, HLloyd or Gill say. Seen an offshore jacket that looks a good price but the manufacturers listing does not show that jacket in that colour?
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No, but I have seen plenty of fake offshore sailors wearing genuine offshore jackets.
 
I guess the cost of an offshore jacket is mostly in the construction rather than in the raw materials and particularly you are not paying that much for a label as you do with designer goods.

Also I would think it would be very hard to get a significant number of fakes onto the market - not many of us buy oilies from the local car boot sale and we are sufficiently familiar with the real thing to be able to spot a poorly constructed fake.

So I would be very surprised if people were knocking out fake Mustos - the worst that might happen is the factory that makes the genuine ones makes a few extra, or flogs off those that failed QC
 
I make a habit of buying Musto offshore type jackets of the previous year's style. The price has has been around half of the RRP. My last one gave up the ghost this summer after 30 years of serious abuse. I have just bought another. That makes 2 in total, it'll probably outlast me - not much of a habit really!
 
bedouin said:
Also I would think it would be very hard to get a significant number of fakes onto the market - not many of us buy oilies from the local car boot sale and we are sufficiently familiar with the real thing to be able to spot a poorly constructed fake.
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When poorly constructed maybe, but may fakes on the market are so well made it is hard for even a pro to tell the difference.
 
Sandyman said:
When poorly constructed maybe, but may fakes on the market are so well made it is hard for even a pro to tell the difference.
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Very often because they are not fakes but deliberate over run production, brand owner buys 5000, and the manufacturer makes 6000 to cover quality drop outs etc, those not taken by the brand owner end up in the black/grey market for very low prices. Especially as Musto and HH dopromote themselves in many areas as a fashion brand. Perhaps todaybig brands police things more strictly but when I traveled widely in the far east so called copies were available in many placeswhich were the same quality as the big brand for a fraction of the European shop price. Excellent embroidery, perfect spelling, good colourfast dyes and exact designreplicas.
 
maxi77 said:
Very often because they are not fakes but deliberate over run production, brand owner buys 5000, and the manufacturer makes 6000 to cover quality drop outs etc, those not taken by the brand owner end up in the black/grey market for very low prices. Especially as Musto and HH dopromote themselves in many areas as a fashion brand. Perhaps todaybig brands police things more strictly but when I traveled widely in the far east so called copies were available in many placeswhich were the same quality as the big brand for a fraction of the European shop price. Excellent embroidery, perfect spelling, good colourfast dyes and exact designreplicas.
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Exactly. So it can be difficult to tell a fake from the genuie article. So how do you know your sailing jacket, in this example, is genuine ? The answer is you dont. You can only trust the retailer.
 
Sandyman said:
When poorly constructed maybe, but may fakes on the market are so well made it is hard for even a pro to tell the difference.
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But if a pro can't tell the difference then TBH I don't really care. Provided it does the job and I am not negligently buying a fake I won't lose sleep over it. Very different to buying a rip off that you know to be so.
 
Friend of mine had a business supplying clothing to the market trade. The bulk of it was Marks & Sparks production overruns or end of line designs which he bought up very cheap. All M & S labels had to be removed before sale but the garments were still genuine M & S at a cheap price.
 
When you consider the mark-up from the sweat shop to the market place it is hardly surprising that apparent copies appear at "knock down prices". Personally, I feel the fashion houses masquaradling as sailing clothing suppliers have got a bloody nerve charging the prices they do for a garment only available with long sleeves and legs. It's not as if you could shorten them to suit anyone of normal build! Go to a cheap suit outlet and every garment is available in short medium and long fitting - for a garment at at least three times the price why are the legs of my trousers the worst trip hazard on my boat? Buy cheap and you can afford to buy four times...

Rob.
 
I don't know about Musto fakes but I've spotted a scam supplier of Eberspacher full marine kits on ebay - I offered to collect and pay cash but they didn't reply and then the listing was withdrawn. New ebayer with zero feedback. Happened three times ...
I did contact a genuine supplier about this and he had also been warned about this scammer. They were trying to sell at about a ¼ of the usual price.
 
I don't know why anyone is surprised.

Lewmar sell the Delta quite cheaply. It costs, almost, the same to make as a Rocna. The difference between a Delta price, which Lewmar sell and make a margin with which they are comfortable, and the Rocna price is the margin that the counterfeiters can see. No wonder we see cheap clones of the Rocna on eBay (though I have never heard of anyone buying one) - or many other items.

This not to say that the clones, of anything, are not good quality - you will not know until you have paid the 'genuine' money.
 
I lived in Beijing for five years, during which time I came to know the Silk Lanes well and in particular the chap who sold genuine North Face climbing gear (he was himself a climber, and running a market stall was his way of financing his sport) and the chap (not a sailor but a fully paid up member of the "Tianjin mafia") who handled genuine Musto production overruns. I could even order stuff from him by colour and size, and in a few days he got what I wanted "over-produced" for me, but I could never make him understand what was wrong with "RNLI" badged yellow oilies!

I am still using stuff that I bought from both gentlemen.
 
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