Fairline video

[PowerYachtBlog]

Thanks, I had not seen the Maritimo yet. Very interesting layout, although I would prefer the lounging area over the aft cabin. I wonder if these types of layouts are by default linked with IPS drives as there may not be enough space for shafts.

Maritimo is in shafts, and in reality with aft cabins its a non breaker to go the shafts route. With an aft cabin if the correct study is made you can put the engines in the perfect position for shafts, and you can also get the best angle you want.

 

[petem]

Although it pains me to bring this topic back up, in reading a Robert Braithwaite (RIP) interview the other day (https://www.ibinews.com/home/the-interview--robert-braithwaite/27527.article) I couldn't help noticing the following...

“As regards fit-out, we’re not doing anything radically different. Unlike most of our competitors, from 50ft (15m) upwards we have never mounted our interior furniture on standardised GRP tray mouldings. Instead we use individual wooden floors. It’s a bit more labour intensive but we think it’s worth it as it produces a quieter ride with no rattling or resonance. So bespoke, hand-fitted interiors are not the big jump for us that they could be for others.”


Now, I haven't heard JFM complaining of rattling or resonance but what does he know!?

To me this implies that <50ft S/S use liners so I wonder if Porto's Portofino had a liner too!

 

[Portofino]

Although it pains me to bring this topic back up, in reading a Robert Braithwaite (RIP) interview the other day (https://www.ibinews.com/home/the-interview--robert-braithwaite/27527.article) I couldn't help noticing the following...

“As regards fit-out, we’re not doing anything radically different. Unlike most of our competitors, from 50ft (15m) upwards we have never mounted our interior furniture on standardised GRP tray mouldings. Instead we use individual wooden floors. It’s a bit more labour intensive but we think it’s worth it as it produces a quieter ride with no rattling or resonance. So bespoke, hand-fitted interiors are not the big jump for us that they could be for others.”


Now, I haven't heard JFM complaining of rattling or resonance but what does he know!?

To me this implies that <50ft S/S use liners so I wonder if Porto's Portofino had a liner too!

My old Porto 35 was seemingly built in the full trad method like my current Itama with suspended wooden floors and partitioned bulkheads .

No Pete it implies the over way round - as boats got bigger his competitors they moved away from trad lay up and wooden floors to drop in liners on foam grids for economic reasons .

Actually Pete my Itama hull no #12 / 21 was a bespoke .
It’s got a larger day heads with double access.A slightly shorter run in the galley and extra cubboards and draws in place of a master shower room .
You see a Mr B said it’s no hassle for the chippies to alter the internal layout .

Having said that Pete your FL construction technique is not quite what Mr B means .
Your liner is a inner skin between a foam matrix reinforced outer skin .Then they build the interior fit out in much the same way .Your liner is not a prefabed off site “ just in time “ drop in bathroom or saloon floor or what ever that liable to sqeek .

As I said earlier it’s either a fantastically superior system or something else , what ever there’s gonna be some economic s in the decision to do that from someone or somewhere.?

That what we are trying to find out the benefits and openly discuss the disadvantages.

 

[Portofino]

You see Pete using liners like FL I suspect restricted the customisable ability where it counts .
The ER .
Although we can quote sold sales ,mostly U.K. buyers looking back at the bankruptcy I wonder if they would have been able to offer a wider range of engines ?

You see SS offer a choise but FL it’s a take it or leave it .Leave it and the bank managers coming round .

This is what I mean a Targa 47 with D12s or a Squadie 78 with MTW 2400 Hp .
Why was it always the D9 or CAT 32 ??
Is is because the FL liner method for the hull in the ER , the grid , the bearers the partial liner twin skin method meant it was always gonna be too much hassle to readapt it in there ?

Relfect a mo on the new FL Targa GTO 63 see what I mean engine choise wise .Its a slug at 31 knots .

 

[petem]

My old Porto 35 was seemingly built in the full trad method like my current Itama with suspended wooden floors and partitioned bulkheads .

No Pete it implies the over way round - as boats got bigger his competitors they moved away from trad lay up and wooden floors to drop in liners on foam grids for economic reasons .

Actually Pete my Itama hull no #12 / 21 was a bespoke .
It’s got a larger day heads with double access.A slightly shorter run in the galley and extra cubboards and draws in place of a master shower room .
You see a Mr B said it’s no hassle for the chippies to alter the internal layout .

Having said that Pete your FL construction technique is not quite what Mr B means .
Your liner is a inner skin between a foam matrix reinforced outer skin .Then they build the interior fit out in much the same way .Your liner is not a prefabed off site “ just in time “ drop in bathroom or saloon floor or what ever that liable to sqeek .

As I said earlier it’s either a fantastically superior system or something else , what ever there’s gonna be some economic s in the decision to do that from someone or somewhere.?

That what we are trying to find out the benefits and openly discuss the disadvantages.

How do you think that Fairline and Sunseekers liner boats differ in construction?

 

[petem]

You see Pete using liners like FL I suspect restricted the customisable ability where it counts .
The ER .
Although we can quote sold sales ,mostly U.K. buyers looking back at the bankruptcy I wonder if they would have been able to offer a wider range of engines ?

You see SS offer a choise but FL it’s a take it or leave it .Leave it and the bank managers coming round .

This is what I mean a Targa 47 with D12s or a Squadie 78 with MTW 2400 Hp .
Why was it always the D9 or CAT 32 ??
Is is because the FL liner method for the hull in the ER , the grid , the bearers the partial liner twin skin method meant it was always gonna be too much hassle to readapt it in there ?

Relfect a mo on the new FL Targa GTO 63 see what I mean engine choise wise .Its a slug at 31 knots .

As per your photo above, Fairline don't use liners in the engine bay.

 

[jfm]

As per your photo above, Fairline don't use liners in the engine bay.

They do in squadron 78 (though not directly under the engines), which creates a nice gel coated grip finish floor instead of the horrible (knee-agony) chequer plate aluminium that other builders use.
There is also an engine bay liner in squadron 58 classic series

 

[Portofino]

They do in squadron 78 (though not directly under the engines), which creates a nice gel coated grip finish floor instead of the horrible (knee-agony) chequer plate aluminium that other builders use.
There is also an engine bay liner in squadron 58 classic series

And here’s a pic from Pete earlier post it’s actually one of yours
I marked the nice smooth interior surfaces with red crosses for Pete s benefit .There still some blue protection film on while its under construction.



The other point SS I believe never used any liners , inner skin or worse still prefabbed “just in time “ drop in cabins .
It’s all hand joined and painted grey on the inside .
The economy argument ( If there is one ? ) starts when to move away from traditional hand lay up and chippies constructing every thing below when you go larger interms of man hours .
You ain’t gonna save as much making it hardly worth it dropping liners is hawk 28 , but you might in a hat 74 .Mr B infered he did not change and one of the reasons was its easier to customise to maybe use one hull for two medals by fitting a different top and easily altering the cabins etc .

Speaking of customisation I accepted an invite to a Pred 74 or seventy somthing about 10 y ago .
The owner specced monster MTU engines with “nutter “2400 Hp or something, there was no tender garage and the crew cabin was fwd .
There was a huge rear sunpad to cover the massive basically over sized engines .
I was told it topped out at 42 knots with normal props .
When I opened the ER hatch to look in there was about a 1 ft of air gap between the top of the V 12 or v 16,s and the under of the cockpit floor .
Think caving for poor engineers and almost impossible to do daily checks .
You could not get between them either . You would have to remove the charge air coolers to slip between .

I did politely enquire - “ looks a bit tight in there “ and the salesman said “ it what the owner wanted “

The owner is a serial SS owner and based in Monaco .iirc fwiw the boat name was Black jacket or black diamond or something .??

 

[petem]

They do in squadron 78 (though not directly under the engines), which creates a nice gel coated grip finish floor instead of the horrible (knee-agony) chequer plate aluminium that other builders use.
There is also an engine bay liner in squadron 58 classic series

I stand corrected however I would suggest that the sub 50 footers don't have a liner in the engine bay.

 

[petem]

Although it pains me to bring this topic back up, in reading a Robert Braithwaite (RIP) interview the other day (https://www.ibinews.com/home/the-interview--robert-braithwaite/27527.article) I couldn't help noticing the following...

“As regards fit-out, we’re not doing anything radically different. Unlike most of our competitors, from 50ft (15m) upwards we have never mounted our interior furniture on standardised GRP tray mouldings. Instead we use individual wooden floors. It’s a bit more labour intensive but we think it’s worth it as it produces a quieter ride with no rattling or resonance. So bespoke, hand-fitted interiors are not the big jump for us that they could be for others.”

The other point SS I believe never used any liners , inner skin or worse still prefabbed “just in time “ drop in cabins .

If S/S didn't / don't use liners then my did Braithwaite qualify his statement with "from 50ft (15m)".

Can I ask you again, how you think S/S construct their sub 50ft boats that is different from FL? In particular, how do you think they make their stringers?

 

[Portofino]

If S/S didn't / don't use liners then my did Braithwaite qualify his statement with "from 50ft (15m)".

Can I ask you again, how you think S/S construct their sub 50ft boats that is different from FL? In particular, how do you think they make their stringers?

Pete see my post #48 and the paragraph directly under your pic .
SS have never used any type of liner method .They have and still make boats the traditional way inc the smallest ones .
More or less the same method all sizes .Stringers are glassed in and flow coated over .
When I bought mine the ad strapline was “ from 37 ft to 37 M “ back in 2005 .

What are you looking for reserecting this thread ?
Feels like this tbo .

 

[petem]

Pete see my post #48 and the paragraph directly under your pic .
SS have never used any type of liner method .They have and still make boats the traditional way inc the smallest ones .
More or less the same method all sizes .Stringers are glassed in and flow coated over .
When I bought mine the ad strapline was “ from 37 ft to 37 M “ back in 2005 .

I see you haven't answered my question.

Also, when you say "Stringers are glassed in and flow coated over" do you think they are wood or foam?

 

[MapisM]

You see SS offer a choise but FL it’s a take it or leave it .Leave it and the bank managers coming round.

That's the most simplistic (i.e. wrong, imho) explanation of why some boatbuilders went belly up after the financial meltdown.
If it were down to that reason alone, I can think of several IT yards which would still be well alive - DP included, among others.

 

[stelican]

I see you haven't answered my question.

Also, when you say "Stringers are glassed in and flow coated over" do you think they are wood or foam?

Foam is used as it is easier to form