Fairline Targa questions

[Beamishken]

that cranchi looks like a lot of boat for the money & has the beter incarnation of the KAD range & sounds like a motivated seller so might be a steal

nice ride back from ireland would make a good first outing too!

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Hi Jimmy,

Thanks, but prefer not to put out links to the 2 to avoid any competing bids from other users although as the boat market seems quite slow that is probably an unwarranted worry. One of these boats is actually not even listed on the main used boats sites. The T37 is in the UK and hence more attractive to me as the other one is down in Spain but a newer boat. Both have enough extras including radar so a difficult choice I must say. Spain could be nice as might keep the boat down there for a while before bringing it up to North, but that boat probably has a sunburn

Fair enough. I don't think you'll necessarily find that the difference in age between an 11 year old boat and a 16 year old boat is going to be that material - it's going to be down to how each boat has been looked after. A uk boat might have an eberspacher, which you'll want; the med boat will prob have aircon, which you won't. A med boat may have been been a bit faded by the sun - has it got the blue hull stripe, they can suffer a bit in the sun.

What are the respective engines in each boat?

Have you physically been on a T37 and a T34 yet?

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Alboretto]

Take a look at my Sig, similar to targa 37 but much cheaper.

Bilge has now been cleaned and you could eat your dinner off it

Nice boat Alt and the website shows great detail. I think perhaps you are asking for too much as these models are not popular in the UK. Even in Southern Europe boating destinations you can purchase similar for less money. Then consider the transport costs from western Ireland and you are at a disadvantage against all similar size Sealines which are available close to a bigger market.

 

[Alboretto]

Update:
After a lots of help from very kind users at this forum and another forum, I have decided to buy either a Fairline Targa 34 from 2002 or a 1997 Targa 37, I´m very much between the 2 as both offer the same more or less in terms of options etc, any views are as always very much appreciated!

Thanks, Marc

Nice boats and either will serve you well. Engine choice is important and Targa 34 with KAD300s is especially a superb choice.

 

[alt]

Nice boat Alt and the website shows great detail. I think perhaps you are asking for too much as these models are not popular in the UK. Even in Southern Europe boating destinations you can purchase similar for less money. Then consider the transport costs from western Ireland and you are at a disadvantage against all similar size Sealines which are available close to a bigger market.

I suspect you are mixing the Smeraldo / Zaffiro up with the Endurance.

The Smeraldo / Zaffiro has a huge cockpit and 2 separate bedrooms. The Endurance, on the other hand, has a tiny cockpit with a hugeee sun-pad and only has 1 bedroom (with a big lounger)

I was offered an Endurance very cheap before I bought the Smeraldo - you're right about the Endurance's not being a practical option in the UK, but the Smeraldo / Zaffiro has a very similar lay-out to the Sealines / Fairlines etc.

For her age she's one of the most keenly priced in Europe if you were to factor net cost for a buyer to have her landed in, for example, Southampton

 

[Alboretto]

Sorry Alt.
I know she is a Smeraldo 37 with KAD 300s, a great boat with great engines. I see she is well cared for but some cleaning required on cockpit steps, bathing platform teak, fore deck and around throttles body and dashboard switch gear. All easy to do except switches to prepare for survey. I don't agree about the asking price if you are to attract a buyer all the way to western Ireland. However a boat value is what the buyer pays so you might be lucky.

 

[alt]

Sorry Alt.
I know she is a Smeraldo 37 with KAD 300s, a great boat with great engines. I see she is well cared for but some cleaning required on cockpit steps, bathing platform teak, fore deck and around throttles body and dashboard switch gear. All easy to do except switches to prepare for survey. I don't agree about the asking price if you are to attract a buyer all the way to western Ireland. However a boat value is what the buyer pays so you might be lucky.

All of the above done Just need a sunny day to take pictures! She's currently out having the gear-oil changed and once the rain stops a compound & polish... then time for new pics!

You say West of Ireland like it's a bad thing A morning flight over to inspect and you're back at home for dinner.... that's how the last guy who bought my boat did it! (It's also how I used to do it when buying boats in the UK) - I've been told by a considerable amount of people (in the UK) that she's a bargain.... pitty those people weren't looking to buy!!

 

[pan]

Following the comments about the T34 & T37, some years ago I went out on a T34 in Jersey, imho it was a terrible sea boat, I literally took the boat back into harbour after 15 mins. The T37 is the boat to buy, even an older model, definitely not a bucking bronco like the T34!!

Pan

 

[Alboretto]

Gosh no Alt. The west of Ireland is a very good thing but it is a long way to go for an impulsive buyer (2hrs in airport, 1hr flight, 3hr drive, 2hr survey and return trip = a very long day).

An informed buyer will make the trip for sure if he spots a bargain. It is just that you have so much competition in this segment of the market so be prepared to haggle. I am just going informed opinion not criticism. Good luck.

 

[Greg2]

The Targa 34 is reputed to be a great boat and very fast but it is smaller than the 37 and has less room below. If that matters then the 37 might be the better option...

 

[alt]

Gosh no Alt. The west of Ireland is a very good thing but it is a long way to go for an impulsive buyer (2hrs in airport, 1hr flight, 3hr drive, 2hr survey and return trip = a very long day).

An informed buyer will make the trip for sure if he spots a bargain. It is just that you have so much competition in this segment of the market so be prepared to haggle. I am just going informed opinion not criticism. Good luck.

Yeah I understand that My only reason for sale is that i'd like to travel the world, so it's not exactly crucial that I sell... if it happens, it happens! Either that or i'll be having a busy summe ron the water

 

[yacht]

Hi Jimmy:
I´ve been physically on the T30 which, I was close to buying. Then changed my mind. I haven´t been on a T34 but I have been on a T37 several times, today I saw the T37 I´m considering to buy.
The T34 has the blue hull, the pics seemed fine.

T34 engines: twin Volvo KAD 44 (500-600h)
T37 engines: twin Volvo Penta KAD42 (500-600h)

The T34 has the full service history available since 2002, the T37 only since 2011 as prior this boat was serviced by the owners company which is a sort of shipyard so his guys have serviced it but of course no receipts...
On the T37 the z-drive on the port side was changed in 2011, the starboard side is broken so owner will fix that prior to selling the boat. The T37 has not been in the water for more than a year, as the current owner has no use of it any longer. If I buy this boat, I would have the surveyor look at the boat first on land and then also in the water to test the engines etc. The T37 does have the eberspacher which I do need..

Thanks

Fair enough. I don't think you'll necessarily find that the difference in age between an 11 year old boat and a 16 year old boat is going to be that material - it's going to be down to how each boat has been looked after. A uk boat might have an eberspacher, which you'll want; the med boat will prob have aircon, which you won't. A med boat may have been been a bit faded by the sun - has it got the blue hull stripe, they can suffer a bit in the sun.

What are the respective engines in each boat?

Have you physically been on a T37 and a T34 yet?

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Beamishken]

I sold my last boat to a guy in Finland who did the deal by email arranged a survey & seatrial flew into glasgow in the morning did the survey & sea trial paid the deposit then flew back in the evening

then aranged transoprt once the sea had thawed over there to get the ship into port

I've also bought 2 boats from the states & saved a fortune on both

a 10 hour day to get a good deal is well worth it in my mind

 

[beejay190]

Hi Jimmy:
I´ve been physically on the T30 which, I was close to buying. Then changed my mind. I haven´t been on a T34 but I have been on a T37 several times, today I saw the T37 I´m considering to buy.
The T34 has the blue hull, the pics seemed fine.

T34 engines: twin Volvo KAD 44 (500-600h)
T37 engines: twin Volvo Penta KAD42 (500-600h)

The T34 has the full service history available since 2002, the T37 only since 2011 as prior this boat was serviced by the owners company which is a sort of shipyard so his guys have serviced it but of course no receipts...
On the T37 the z-drive on the port side was changed in 2011, the starboard side is broken so owner will fix that prior to selling the boat. The T37 has not been in the water for more than a year, as the current owner has no use of it any longer. If I buy this boat, I would have the surveyor look at the boat first on land and then also in the water to test the engines etc. The T37 does have the eberspacher which I do need..

Thanks

A 1997 boat with no history until 2011.
A broken Z drive; not been used for a year (or more); neglected.
You can do better than that.
If it was me i would walk away and buy Alt's Cranchi.

 

[alt]

The KAD42 was superceeded by the KAD43 for a reason; I do believe there were some issues with these engines (although a lot of KAD42's are perfectly fine i'm sure)

Ken - When you travel to buy a boat it's also an excuse for a holiday

beejay - On 2nd thoughts, the weather is starting to improve here, could be tempted to keep her yet Pic below taken today - new gear-oil going in tomorrow and compound & polish will start on Monday....

 

[JKay]

The KAD42 was superceeded by the KAD43 for a reason; I do believe there were some issues with these engines (although a lot of KAD42's are perfectly fine i'm sure)

Ken - When you travel to buy a boat it's also an excuse for a holiday

beejay - On 2nd thoughts, the weather is starting to improve here, could be tempted to keep her yet Pic below taken today - new gear-oil going in tomorrow and compound & polish will start on Monday....

That looks a stunning boat and a bargain Alt

 

[Whitelighter]

That looks a stunning boat and a bargain Alt

Such a bargain no one has bought it yet...

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Hi Jimmy:
I´ve been physically on the T30 which, I was close to buying. Then changed my mind. I haven´t been on a T34 but I have been on a T37 several times, today I saw the T37 I´m considering to buy.
The T34 has the blue hull, the pics seemed fine.

T34 engines: twin Volvo KAD 44 (500-600h)
T37 engines: twin Volvo Penta KAD42 (500-600h)

The T34 has the full service history available since 2002, the T37 only since 2011 as prior this boat was serviced by the owners company which is a sort of shipyard so his guys have serviced it but of course no receipts...
On the T37 the z-drive on the port side was changed in 2011, the starboard side is broken so owner will fix that prior to selling the boat. The T37 has not been in the water for more than a year, as the current owner has no use of it any longer. If I buy this boat, I would have the surveyor look at the boat first on land and then also in the water to test the engines etc. The T37 does have the eberspacher which I do need..

Thanks

I'd be wary of any boat that has been laid up for such a long time, particularly such an old one. If you're determined to go for it, don't let the seller sort out the defective stern drive, get the replacement cost taken off the sales prices and get it done yourself.

Of your two boats, I'd definitely prefer the t37 - but I'm not sure I'd go for the the one you've identified. It would want to be eye catchingly cheap to make it attractive - £60k perhaps?

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[scubaman]

The KAD42 was superceeded by the KAD43 for a reason; I do believe there were some issues with these engines

One known problem is that they are prone to blowing the head gasket.

 

[yacht]

I can buy the T37 for around £60k, that´s the main reason I´m looking at it. In your opinion, is the T37 going to be an expensive ordeal for me considering the boat hasn´t been in the water for a year? The owner is saying he will fix everything that needs fixing prior to the sell.

Will probably fly down in 2 weeks to have a look at the T34. The nice thing about the T34 is that it is currently on land and I can have the surveyor inspect the boat, once I´ḿ there the boat is in the water and then I can testdrive it.
Cheers

I'd be wary of any boat that has been laid up for such a long time, particularly such an old one. If you're determined to go for it, don't let the seller sort out the defective stern drive, get the replacement cost taken off the sales prices and get it done yourself.

Of your two boats, I'd definitely prefer the t37 - but I'm not sure I'd go for the the one you've identified. It would want to be eye catchingly cheap to make it attractive - £60k perhaps?

Cheers
Jimmy