Fairle or Princess?

[DutchDan]

Fairline or Princess?

Hi, can anyone tell me if there is a difference in quality between a Fairline Squadron (58, 61) or a Princess 60, year: 1996

The purpose for the boat is to live on and use all year long.

best.

Dan

 

[AndieMac]

Dan

From what I understand, the two companies have an equally superior product.

I have operated a 1997, P66 for nearly 5 years and besides normal wearing items like front window seals and toilets, the boat is in fine, original condition.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Similar Bernard Olsenski hulls altough the Fairlines are usually better put togather, but then many Princess have a better centre of gravity ie. ride lower to the water.

To my knowledge there is no Fairline 61 Squadron, and the 58 Squadron started life in 2002. For that age 1996 you surely mean the 59 Squadron or 62 Squadron. The 59 Squadron which is the 56 Sq produced from 1993 to 1994 with bathing platform is a tremdous seaboat with guzzling MAN 680hp engines.
For sure I prefare it to the old Princess 60 which was also named as 58 with shorter bathing platform. The same hull (underwater lines) was later used think it was 1999 or 2000 for the Princess 61.

 

[AndieMac]

with guzzling MAN 680hp engines./QUOTE]


Theres a thing PY......one of my clients just arrived with a 1993 Sunseeker Caribbean 52 with the same engines.
According to the owner, they had both tanks pressed full (2400 litres), travelled 182 miles in easy sea conditions and ran out of fuel.
He did admit he was running her pretty hard though.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Surely like any engine if you ride her fast it will drink double then on the lower revving cruise.
I used to crew helm a 54 Manhattan, same as the 52 Carbi but longer bplatform and cherry wood interior and some other changes. Best economy was around 22 knots I think to remember running those MANs at 1700rpm. When I worked safe range at this speed it came to about 250nm. If I drove her to the bottom the range would have come to 350nm.

 

[AndieMac]

Surely like any engine if you ride her fast it will drink double then on the lower revving cruise.
I used to crew helm a 54 Manhattan, same as the 52 Carbi but longer bplatform and cherry wood interior and some other changes. Best economy was around 22 knots I think to remember running those MANs at 1700rpm. When I worked safe range at this speed it came to about 250nm. If I drove her to the bottom the range would have come to 350nm.

When he was talking to me about it, I suggested around the 1800 rpm, as that is the best for the V12's in the Princess. I think he must have had her sitting well over 2000 rpm.
The Sunseeker has got an unusual Bplatform, its a short semi-circle, and the galley is a sunken affair, well aft in the main saloon near the patio doors.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Yes the galley is sunk to starboard with three or four steps down, and opposite there is the crew cabin. It was the fashion of the time in medium sized boats to make such a layout. I also always thought the saloon was too much of a split between lower and higher areas where there is the helm to SB and C-shaped dinnettee to port.
The 54 Manhattan was not a bad sea boat at about 20 knots, but above that speed in Force 5 seas it was like coming to pieces.
Another thing which was curious and unusual was that it really trimmed well at 20 - 24 knots but once you get over this speed it really rode bow high, and with the tabs down it really felt unnatural and dragging a lot of water.
Have also helmed a 55 Camargue what is the same hull but a Sport Yacht with bigger MTU 767hp and it rode much better in the higher speed range.

 

[AndieMac]

Yes the galley is sunk to starboard with three or four steps down, and opposite there is the crew cabin. It was the fashion of the time in medium sized boats to make such a layout. I also always thought the saloon was too much of a split between lower and higher areas where there is the helm to SB and C-shaped dinnettee to port./QUOTE]


This one has the gallery to port PY, and the small single crew cabin laying athwartships, as you say. I guess the higher level in the fwd. part of the saloon provides suitable headroom for the two twin side cabins, which I thought were quite spacious for a boat this size.