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[Bigplumbs]

After out little trip on the Scottish Lochs and although I feel my older 2 strokes are very reliable I felt a small lightweight outboard that was also 2 stroke so I could use the same fuel might be a good idea. I wanted the lightest and smallest on offer that would still hopefully push you home in the event of a main engine problem. If it will not fit on the transom next to the main engine I will keep it in a padded bag on the floor of the Sib.

I was very lucky and managed to pick up this little treasure that runs a dream for the princely sum of £100

 

[Ribtecer]

It's bizarre, but in almost every aspect, older simple engineering is the way to go.

That engine, if looked after, will still be purring in 50 years time.

Much better for the environment

 

[Bigplumbs]

It's bizarre, but in almost every aspect, older simple engineering is the way to go.

That engine, if looked after, will still be purring in 50 years time.

Much better for the environment

Exactly how I feel. Oh to have a car back with no ECU, BCU and all that other electronic nonsense to let you down

 

[Rum Run]

It's bizarre, but in almost every aspect, older simple engineering is the way to go.

That engine, if looked after, will still be purring in 50 years time.

Much better for the environment

British Seagull - but they bark, not purr. I have two over 50 years old still going nicely

 

[QBhoy]

In my opinion (and I’m a massive Yamaha devotee, when it comes to old 2 strokes), these are surely thee best outboard ever made, in terms of the around 2hp class.
Bought one for the old man about 15 years or more ago…it just never fails to fire up each year…and even at that, it can sometimes go unused in the season too. Most bother we ever had with it was it needing a spark plug.
Not sure on this claim entirely, but I also have a feeling it might just be the lightest outboard ever made, when referring to what’s been available from the big brands out there. Certainly it could lay claim to that with more confidence again, in its later form and sporting an extra 0.2hp on the hood !
Literally a one hand carry effort and making the often precarious operation of stepping into a small inflatable with outboard in hand, with the intention of mounting it on the transom !
Since then, I have also bought one not long ago. A little scruffier than the old man’s, and bought as a non runner from sitting idle for a decade or so. Quick carb clean and a plug…she fired second pull ! Amazing things. You’ve got a genuine bargain there sir.
Only downside to them, might be them not having a tell tale of the familiar sort. Just a wisp from the two relief ports on the mid section. I think some guys have slightly modified them to show a more defined indication of flow from there.

 

[limecc]

Interesting you don't trust your Chinese motors:

But who can resist a bargain?

 

[Bigplumbs]

British Seagull - but they bark, not purr. I have two over 50 years old still going nicely

I have one but I bought it purely for nostalgia

 

[QBhoy]

I have one but I bought it purely for nostalgia

Me too. Haven’t dared to try it though . Meaning the seagull !

 

[Bigplumbs]

Interesting you don't trust your Chinese motors:

But who can resist a bargain?

I do trust it why did you assume I don’t. I bought the 2 stroke so I dont have to carry different petrol. And I like buying stuff

 

[Bigplumbs]

In my opinion (and I’m a massive Yamaha devotee, when it comes to old 2 strokes), these are surely thee best outboard ever made, in terms of the around 2hp class.
Bought one for the old man about 15 years or more ago…it just never fails to fire up each year…and even at that, it can sometimes go unused in the season too. Most bother we ever had with it was it needing a spark plug.
Not sure on this claim entirely, but I also have a feeling it might just be the lightest outboard ever made, when referring to what’s been available from the big brands out there. Certainly it could lay claim to that with more confidence again, in its later form and sporting an extra 0.2hp on the hood !
Literally a one hand carry effort and making the often precarious operation of stepping into a small inflatable with outboard in hand, with the intention of mounting it on the transom !
Since then, I have also bought one not long ago. A little scruffier than the old man’s, and bought as a non runner from sitting idle for a decade or so. Quick carb clean and a plug…she fired second pull ! Amazing things. You’ve got a genuine bargain there sir.
Only downside to them, might be them not having a tell tale of the familiar sort. Just a wisp from the two relief ports on the mid section. I think some guys have slightly modified them to show a more defined indication of flow from there.

Yes. I have seen them for sale generally around the £250 - £350 mark so at £100 close to me I could not resist. Also had a little day out going to collect it. Win Win

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Exactly how I feel. Oh to have a car back with no ECU, BCU and all that other electronic nonsense to let you down

There is a reason why that will hopefully never happen.

The first recognized episodes of ‘smog’ occurred in Los Angeles in the summer of 1943. Visibility was only three blocks. People suffered from burning eyes and lungs, and nausea. The phenomenon was termed a "gas attack" and blamed on a nearby butadiene plant.

The California Air Resources Board was the first organisation set up to tackle air pollution caused by those wonderfully simple carburetor fed petrol engines. History | California Air Resources Board

Pollution in California - Wikipedia

In my first job, I wrote closed-loop fueling software for the first fuel-injected engines produced by Rover Group back in the late 80s - early 90s ... we weren't doing it for fun, we were doing it to try and counter the rising levels of pollutants emitted by the ever increasing number of cars.

While a few people using 2 strokes or running around in classic cars has little effect, going back to the simplicity of the past for everyone is absolutely unsustainable - if we did it, we would all have to learn the same lesson all over again.

.... I still work in automotive, and the efforts to reduce pollution reach into every aspect of vehicle systems ... smart alternators reduce fuel usage on acceleration by switching off and running the vehicle electrics solely from the battery, and when braking or coasting, the smart alternator dumps charge into the battery - trying to maintain a 90% state of charge. Start/Stop switches off the engine to reduce emissions and fuel usage in stationary traffic - there is more, but you get the idea.

The move to electric cars makes absolute sense too. It's the cities where the air quality is worst, so reducing the number of internal combustion engines by replacing them with electric vehicles improves the air quality immensely. You might argue that the emissions are just being shifted elsewhere - but that is exactly the point. It is far more efficient to put emission control system on a power plant - and place it in a relatively low population area than have hundreds of thousands of internal combustion engines emitting NOx and particulates while grid-locked in cities. If we can make the transition to clean energy at the power plants too then it really is a win.

In the past you could smell the pollution from vehicles, but now you can't - doesn't mean it's not there. It does mean that some political nut job could convince the hard of thinking that going back to the old way of doing things is a valid option though.

 

[Bigplumbs]

There is a reason why that will hopefully never happen.



The California Air Resources Board was the first organisation set up to tackle air pollution caused by those wonderfully simple carburetor fed petrol engines. History | California Air Resources Board

Pollution in California - Wikipedia

In my first job, I wrote closed-loop fueling software for the first fuel-injected engines produced by Rover Group back in the late 80s - early 90s ... we weren't doing it for fun, we were doing it to try and counter the rising levels of pollutants emitted by the ever increasing number of cars.

While a few people using 2 strokes or running around in classic cars has little effect, going back to the simplicity of the past for everyone is absolutely unsustainable - if we did it, we would all have to learn the same lesson all over again.

.... I still work in automotive, and the efforts to reduce pollution reach into every aspect of vehicle systems ... smart alternators reduce fuel usage on acceleration by switching off and running the vehicle electrics solely from the battery, and when braking or coasting, the smart alternator dumps charge into the battery - trying to maintain a 90% state of charge. Start/Stop switches off the engine to reduce emissions and fuel usage in stationary traffic - there is more, but you get the idea.

The move to electric cars makes absolute sense too. It's the cities where the air quality is worst, so reducing the number of internal combustion engines by replacing them with electric vehicles improves the air quality immensely. You might argue that the emissions are just being shifted elsewhere - but that is exactly the point. It is far more efficient to put emission control system on a power plant - and place it in a relatively low population area than have hundreds of thousands of internal combustion engines emitting NOx and particulates while grid-locked in cities. If we can make the transition to clean energy at the power plants too then it really is a win.

In the past you could smell the pollution from vehicles, but now you can't - doesn't mean it's not there. It does mean that some political nut job could convince the hard of thinking that going back to the old way of doing things is a valid option though.

Lets hope it does happen so that vehicles and other engines simply work like they used to rather than shut down because some sensor was reporting a reading in error or simply gone wrong. On boats this is very dangerous to human life.

Far too many people making money out of all this save the planet stuff rather than doing what they should do ...... KISS

 

[Seastoke]

Lets hope it does happen so that vehicles and other engines simply work like they used to rather than shut down because some sensor was reporting a reading in error or simply gone wrong. On boats this is very dangerous to human life.

Far too many people making money out of all this save the planet stuff rather than doing what they should do ...... KISS

Plumbs you are doing more for the planet than most of us including Baggy. As you are buying all the fletchers with big 2 strokes on the back and can only use one at a time . Lol.

 

[Bigplumbs]

Plumbs you are doing more for the planet than most of us including Baggy. As you are buying all the fletchers with big 2 strokes on the back and can only use one at a time . Lol.

I do try my best…………. I love a 2 stroke

 

[ChromeDome]

I was recently given a Honda BF2 for free. Looks unused but.. leaking motor oil between the motor and the leg so takes a little tinkering

 

[38mess]

Just found my old 3?hp seagull outboard when I cleared my garage. It was running ok when I put it away 30 years ago.

 

[Rum Run]

Just found my old 3?hp seagull outboard when I cleared my garage. It was running ok when I put it away 30 years ago.

If it doesn't fire up after cleaning out any fuel residue in the carburettor, check the spark. Sometimes the magneto system can lose it's magic through lack of use, but if you spin the engine using a power drill for a few minutes (with the plug out) it seems to get the urge back again.

 

[C08]

Exactly how I feel. Oh to have a car back with no ECU, BCU and all that other electronic nonsense to let you down

I had a series of cars with ECU problems, Vauxhall Carltons(3), Vauxhall Omega, Ford Granada. I would not have one on a boat engine as I like to think I could fix most things.

 

[waynes world]

And there was me thinking on getting rid of these two VP AQ130 for what ............more modern rubbish i think not.

Nothing wrong with a coupe carbs and and a fuel pump.

Some nutter suggested a while ago i go electric at a cost of around £100k

 

[Bigplumbs]

And there was me thinking on getting rid of these two VP AQ130 for what ............more modern rubbish i think not.

Nothing wrong with a coupe carbs and and a fuel pump.

Some nutter suggested a while ago i go electric at a cost of around £100k

Quite. The simplicity of old engines has been forgotten by some or perhaps they are so young they never experienced it. Bring back my old Vauxhall viva I say.