vitalspark
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Hi see my recent post
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Stuart
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Experience of using Fuel Doctor on Diesel
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catmandoo
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thanks for info however any comments regarding experience of Fuel Doctor against Fuel Set
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Anonymous
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>>Before you harp on about biocides and such please note this is an enzyme product and works diffrently to all the others out there.<<
Which enzyme or enzymes does Soltron contain?
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Which enzyme or enzymes does Soltron contain?
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DepSol
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Now that would be telling. Its a closely guarded secret.
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Why?
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DepSol
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Because its a secret formula of enzymes.
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That explains it then? I would imagine that any industrial biochemist worth their salt could identify any enzymes that might be present in useful quantities so unless the formulation is protected by patent or other copyright protection similar products could be marketed. Indeed, by not specifying the formulation, doesn't Soltron leave itself open to this?
For myself I would never pour a 'secret formula' into the tank of my boat because I would fear that at best it would be useless and at worst.....
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For myself I would never pour a 'secret formula' into the tank of my boat because I would fear that at best it would be useless and at worst.....
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vitalspark
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Hi catmando,
to be absolutely honest I’m not sure that I noticed a great deal of difference to the fuel doctor sorry that’s a bit vague but I don’t remember it sticking out as anything but satisfactory I used on the same 63p engines but it was on a princess 430 which I felt was under powered anyway, however I did notice that using soltron did stop the exhaust smoke problem that these boats inherently had (even the smallest outings had you cleaning for an hour when you got in) I.e. rear turbulence drawing the exhaust gas around and onto the transom surfaces, however in hindsight (a fantastic new invention) a little concerned about how it went about doing it internally.................
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to be absolutely honest I’m not sure that I noticed a great deal of difference to the fuel doctor sorry that’s a bit vague but I don’t remember it sticking out as anything but satisfactory I used on the same 63p engines but it was on a princess 430 which I felt was under powered anyway, however I did notice that using soltron did stop the exhaust smoke problem that these boats inherently had (even the smallest outings had you cleaning for an hour when you got in) I.e. rear turbulence drawing the exhaust gas around and onto the transom surfaces, however in hindsight (a fantastic new invention) a little concerned about how it went about doing it internally.................
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DepSol
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Its fully registered so no problems with copyright. If they want to go ahead and find whats in it be my guest.
It has enzymes supended in kerosene whats there to know.
Your post seems very troll like to me, looks like another put up job.
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It has enzymes supended in kerosene whats there to know.
Your post seems very troll like to me, looks like another put up job.
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>>Your post seems very troll like to me, looks like another put up job.<<
You mean you don't like the question so you will try to deflect the issue by hurling a personal attack at me? No, I am just another yachtsman...no axe to grind, don't work for anyone in even a vaguely related industry or have any financial or other motive to be disparaging about your product.
But I did research all the biocides and fuel additives a couple of years ago and it seemed to me that Soltron was nothing but paraffin and since nobody at Soltron would answer my question, that's where I ended up.
Now, in a public forum, you say that it is paraffin and some mystery mixture of unspecified 'secret' enzymes. It reminds me of the bad old days of patent medicines. No way would I put that in my tanks, but each to his own.
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You mean you don't like the question so you will try to deflect the issue by hurling a personal attack at me? No, I am just another yachtsman...no axe to grind, don't work for anyone in even a vaguely related industry or have any financial or other motive to be disparaging about your product.
But I did research all the biocides and fuel additives a couple of years ago and it seemed to me that Soltron was nothing but paraffin and since nobody at Soltron would answer my question, that's where I ended up.
Now, in a public forum, you say that it is paraffin and some mystery mixture of unspecified 'secret' enzymes. It reminds me of the bad old days of patent medicines. No way would I put that in my tanks, but each to his own.
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DepSol
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Each to his own. I am not surprised they didnt give out the info to a total stranger.
Hold on you say you dont work for anyone in a vaguely related industry but you researched biocides and fuel additives? Whys that then?
If you dont want to put it in your tanks fine as I said each to his own. I made the troll remark because you have been on here done about 200 ish posts where Soltron has been widely discussed on this and the other board every month but its only now you seem to suddenly pop up and say give me the Soltron formula.
If you were in my position would you just hand it out like that to a complete stranger on an internet forum? It wasnt a personal attack it was a reaction to someone who is acting very suspicious.
As soon as I decline your request you throw your toys out of the pram saying huh secret formula not in my tanks. One thing that is no secret is that it works, so much for your research unless you didnt include it because you couldnt get the formula.
Seems like your the one thats not telling all.
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Hold on you say you dont work for anyone in a vaguely related industry but you researched biocides and fuel additives? Whys that then?
If you dont want to put it in your tanks fine as I said each to his own. I made the troll remark because you have been on here done about 200 ish posts where Soltron has been widely discussed on this and the other board every month but its only now you seem to suddenly pop up and say give me the Soltron formula.
If you were in my position would you just hand it out like that to a complete stranger on an internet forum? It wasnt a personal attack it was a reaction to someone who is acting very suspicious.
As soon as I decline your request you throw your toys out of the pram saying huh secret formula not in my tanks. One thing that is no secret is that it works, so much for your research unless you didnt include it because you couldnt get the formula.
Seems like your the one thats not telling all.
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>>Hold on you say you dont work for anyone in a vaguely related industry but you researched biocides and fuel additives? Whys that then?<<
Simply because I was wondering whether to put something in my tank. I had never had a problem (nor have I since) and I have NEVER put any additive into my tanks.
I was looking for some proper scientific papers to back up some of the claims made by the various manufacturers of diesel bug additives but drew a blank. If this was such a big problem, why hadn't someone in some university published a paper? If a manufacturer had a good product, surely he would have at least one peer-reviewed paper to back up some of the science? But I found nothing, not from Soltron or anyone else. Meanwhile, I take fuel off the bottom of my tanks to remove any water and add nothing.
>>I made the troll remark because you have been on here done about 200 ish posts where Soltron has been widely discussed on this and the other board every month but its only now you seem to suddenly pop up and say give me the Soltron formula.<<
Goodness, I don't take part in all the threads! I just happened to spot this one and had a quick read through. I shan't linger, though, unless you are going to tell me something new about Soltron? I certainly haven't changed my view as a result of this exchange. On the contrary.
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Simply because I was wondering whether to put something in my tank. I had never had a problem (nor have I since) and I have NEVER put any additive into my tanks.
I was looking for some proper scientific papers to back up some of the claims made by the various manufacturers of diesel bug additives but drew a blank. If this was such a big problem, why hadn't someone in some university published a paper? If a manufacturer had a good product, surely he would have at least one peer-reviewed paper to back up some of the science? But I found nothing, not from Soltron or anyone else. Meanwhile, I take fuel off the bottom of my tanks to remove any water and add nothing.
>>I made the troll remark because you have been on here done about 200 ish posts where Soltron has been widely discussed on this and the other board every month but its only now you seem to suddenly pop up and say give me the Soltron formula.<<
Goodness, I don't take part in all the threads! I just happened to spot this one and had a quick read through. I shan't linger, though, unless you are going to tell me something new about Soltron? I certainly haven't changed my view as a result of this exchange. On the contrary.
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jfm
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One guy\'s experience of Soltron
Lemain, I was a Soltron sceptic and still am as to its mpg improvement claims, but I'm pretty convinced about its bug digesting ability
This summer my brother -experienced boater- motored his boat right around Ireland. He took on a load of diesel by road tanker delivery and 20min after motoring out his engines stopped due to large amount of black sludge (=bug) in the fuel filters. He changed filters, 30mins later same again. He hobbled back to port. Got some Soltron express delivered, double dosed the fuel. Few days later he motored away with new filters an no recurrence of problem, ever.
His fuel wasn't taken out and processed, filtered or anything.
Not claiming this is scientific test, but I do believe Soltron works. The clever part perhaps is not pure bug killing, I suppose many biocides do that. It's the bug digesting that is the real benefit, becuase it allows the dead digested bugs to pass thru the filters, so eliminating need to clean the fuel/tanks
After this experience I am using it too, and think it's pretty important to have in your fuel over winter to stop bugs developing
Just my personal experience, and I've absolutely zero connection with Soltron or any other product, I'm totally impartial, just a normal boater.
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Lemain, I was a Soltron sceptic and still am as to its mpg improvement claims, but I'm pretty convinced about its bug digesting ability
This summer my brother -experienced boater- motored his boat right around Ireland. He took on a load of diesel by road tanker delivery and 20min after motoring out his engines stopped due to large amount of black sludge (=bug) in the fuel filters. He changed filters, 30mins later same again. He hobbled back to port. Got some Soltron express delivered, double dosed the fuel. Few days later he motored away with new filters an no recurrence of problem, ever.
His fuel wasn't taken out and processed, filtered or anything.
Not claiming this is scientific test, but I do believe Soltron works. The clever part perhaps is not pure bug killing, I suppose many biocides do that. It's the bug digesting that is the real benefit, becuase it allows the dead digested bugs to pass thru the filters, so eliminating need to clean the fuel/tanks
After this experience I am using it too, and think it's pretty important to have in your fuel over winter to stop bugs developing
Just my personal experience, and I've absolutely zero connection with Soltron or any other product, I'm totally impartial, just a normal boater.
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Re: One guy\'s experience of Soltron
>>I was a Soltron sceptic and still am as to its mpg improvement claims, but I'm pretty convinced about its bug digesting ability....<<
The Soltron people are making scientific claims but refuse to back that up by giving us any scientific evidence. That's what quacks do. I'm not saying that Soltron ARE quacks, just that they wouldn't APPEAR to be quacks if they could provide a shred of scientific backing for their claims. Until they do, I shan't use it.
There are perfectly rational explanations for your brother's experience that do not hinge on pouring mystery enzymes suspended in paraffin into the tank. The most obvious of which is that the filters had removed all of the sludge. Without any scientific evidence - i.e. some theory supported by controlled experimental data - we'll never know for sure.
The truth seems to be that very few yachtsmen ever have any 'fuel bug' problems but a lot put expensive additives into their tanks 'just in case'. I'm not convinced that those who use additives (or whichever sort) are any more immune to fuel problems than those who don't.
I consider the most important thing to be good fuel management - arrange a drain to remove the fuel from the lowest point in the tank so that the odd pint can be drawn off for inspection and discarded. That way water will never accumulate. It might cost a bit to fit - could be quite expensive for some - but it is a once-only expense unlike additives and is backed by impeccable science.
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>>I was a Soltron sceptic and still am as to its mpg improvement claims, but I'm pretty convinced about its bug digesting ability....<<
The Soltron people are making scientific claims but refuse to back that up by giving us any scientific evidence. That's what quacks do. I'm not saying that Soltron ARE quacks, just that they wouldn't APPEAR to be quacks if they could provide a shred of scientific backing for their claims. Until they do, I shan't use it.
There are perfectly rational explanations for your brother's experience that do not hinge on pouring mystery enzymes suspended in paraffin into the tank. The most obvious of which is that the filters had removed all of the sludge. Without any scientific evidence - i.e. some theory supported by controlled experimental data - we'll never know for sure.
The truth seems to be that very few yachtsmen ever have any 'fuel bug' problems but a lot put expensive additives into their tanks 'just in case'. I'm not convinced that those who use additives (or whichever sort) are any more immune to fuel problems than those who don't.
I consider the most important thing to be good fuel management - arrange a drain to remove the fuel from the lowest point in the tank so that the odd pint can be drawn off for inspection and discarded. That way water will never accumulate. It might cost a bit to fit - could be quite expensive for some - but it is a once-only expense unlike additives and is backed by impeccable science.
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gjeffery
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This year, I moved to Soltron before laying up. My engineering decisions must be objective, but my personal decision to use Soltron required an unacustomed leap of faith. I like to understand the systems that work with, and I would welcome more information about Soltron. Is there a COSHH sheet available?
The merchandising leaflet (by Atlantic Plant) is rather vague, and the dose of 1 part in 2500 (0.04%) using an unspecified enzyme of unspecified dilution in the bottle, is almost homeopathic.
The test reports by a C/Engineer are also vague. What is a C/Engineer? Does it mean Chief Enginer, CEng or what? Did this expert produce a full report?
Like the States of Guernsey, I "have experienced no problems with Microbial growth in the fuel since I have been using Soltron"!
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The merchandising leaflet (by Atlantic Plant) is rather vague, and the dose of 1 part in 2500 (0.04%) using an unspecified enzyme of unspecified dilution in the bottle, is almost homeopathic.
The test reports by a C/Engineer are also vague. What is a C/Engineer? Does it mean Chief Enginer, CEng or what? Did this expert produce a full report?
Like the States of Guernsey, I "have experienced no problems with Microbial growth in the fuel since I have been using Soltron"!
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Col
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For what its worth purely as an observation.
A member of this forum recently changed his boat and had a case of bug and didn't realise it (he uses Soltron) When I looked at his filter, the usual thick black jellyish sludge that you get with the bug had been reduced to something resembling creosote (albeit slightly thicker)
The point is, it had broken down enough to pass through the filter so had not given any problems or engine stoppages, hence he didn't know about the bug.
My own experiance is less black smoke. Filters allways clear. Engines sound smoother.
There are many people on here who have been sckeptical about Soltron, and have changed there views having used it.
Someone pointed out the high dilution. Maybe these Emzymes multiply? I don't know?
I do know it does what it says it does on the tin (to coin a phrase)
As Dom says "It's up to you"
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A member of this forum recently changed his boat and had a case of bug and didn't realise it (he uses Soltron) When I looked at his filter, the usual thick black jellyish sludge that you get with the bug had been reduced to something resembling creosote (albeit slightly thicker)
The point is, it had broken down enough to pass through the filter so had not given any problems or engine stoppages, hence he didn't know about the bug.
My own experiance is less black smoke. Filters allways clear. Engines sound smoother.
There are many people on here who have been sckeptical about Soltron, and have changed there views having used it.
Someone pointed out the high dilution. Maybe these Emzymes multiply? I don't know?
I do know it does what it says it does on the tin (to coin a phrase)
As Dom says "It's up to you"
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gjeffery
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Thanks for that. It is because of such observations on this board, that I thought it worth changing from a biocide to Soltron. For personal satisfaction though, I would like to know more about the technology I use. After all, Soltron is not a religion!
At the very least, it is necessary to support a mandatory risk assessment. Unless Soltron is intrinsically free from risk, it is a requirement (CHIP) to produce a product safety sheet. Perhaps Dom would let us see it.
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At the very least, it is necessary to support a mandatory risk assessment. Unless Soltron is intrinsically free from risk, it is a requirement (CHIP) to produce a product safety sheet. Perhaps Dom would let us see it.
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Re: 1st tank full
> Dont double dose though.
Is there a double-dose concern specific to a new engine?
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> Dont double dose though.
Is there a double-dose concern specific to a new engine?
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gandy
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"Someone pointed out the high dilution. Maybe these Emzymes multiply? I don't know?
I do know it does what it says it does on the tin (to coin a phrase)"
If it's an enzyme, that's a catalyst rather than a reagent, isn't it? (Trying to remember organic chemistry and biochemistry from long ago) That would meant that the enzyme isn't used up in the reaction - so a small dose could continue working indefinitely, a larger dose would work quicker. How's that for a theory?
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I do know it does what it says it does on the tin (to coin a phrase)"
If it's an enzyme, that's a catalyst rather than a reagent, isn't it? (Trying to remember organic chemistry and biochemistry from long ago) That would meant that the enzyme isn't used up in the reaction - so a small dose could continue working indefinitely, a larger dose would work quicker. How's that for a theory?
Tony S
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gjeffery
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I mentioned dilution, actually, I used a loading dose at 1 part in 2500. The normal dose is 1 in 5000.
My understanding also is that the product cointains an enzyme, and my understanding is the same as yours. Of course, there have been problems with additives that have worked too well! I am impressed though that I have heard only good of Soltron, which is why it is in my tank now.
The advertising leafllet contains a statement from Alan Priddy in which he says that he asked Soltron for evidence, and was given information including lab reports. If this information exists in the public domain, then why the secrecy regarding what it is, and how it works?
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My understanding also is that the product cointains an enzyme, and my understanding is the same as yours. Of course, there have been problems with additives that have worked too well! I am impressed though that I have heard only good of Soltron, which is why it is in my tank now.
The advertising leafllet contains a statement from Alan Priddy in which he says that he asked Soltron for evidence, and was given information including lab reports. If this information exists in the public domain, then why the secrecy regarding what it is, and how it works?
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