KevB
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If we were to leave the EU some time in the future, do you think they'd reduce the vat/duty on red diesel for boaters? After all, they only added it to comply with an EU directive...
EU and red diesel
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Pinnacle
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Dream on..................
sailorman
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Beaucette always offers a keen price for diesel, especially for large quantities – contact Ricky on m +44 (0) 7781 102302.
[h=3]UK Yachts – duty and VAT implications[/h]Guernsey is not part of the UK nor part of the EU. If a UK vessel buys diesel in Guernsey, there are no implications whatsoever on returning to the UK. However, it is always advisable to keep the receipt as proof of where it was bought.
If a UK yacht subsequently travels to Europe with red diesel bought from Guernsey, there are still no implications since the Instanbul Convention of 1990 states the fuel is VAT and duty neutral.
Having said this, you need to take care about visiting Belgium, where their authorities do not always recognise the Instanbul Convention even though they are a signatory state.
Keeping the receipt and a log of where you have travelled is important.
[h=3]UK Yachts – duty and VAT implications[/h]Guernsey is not part of the UK nor part of the EU. If a UK vessel buys diesel in Guernsey, there are no implications whatsoever on returning to the UK. However, it is always advisable to keep the receipt as proof of where it was bought.
If a UK yacht subsequently travels to Europe with red diesel bought from Guernsey, there are still no implications since the Instanbul Convention of 1990 states the fuel is VAT and duty neutral.
Having said this, you need to take care about visiting Belgium, where their authorities do not always recognise the Instanbul Convention even though they are a signatory state.
Keeping the receipt and a log of where you have travelled is important.
Pinnacle
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sailorman
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possibly nothingInteresting..........but wots this got to do with the OP's question?
but the Istanbul convention was interesting
Pinnacle
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IDAMAY
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Answering the OP's question which may have been slightly tongue in cheek, I shouldn't think there is a snowball's chance in hell.
Drifting off topic again, we were in Nieuwport, Belgium for two nights in August last year. We received a very warm welcome from the marina staff and no interest at all from Affaires Maritime or Douanes who were both around the pontoons and passing on the water. Hopefully they have decided that it is better to attract than repel us boaters.
Richard.
Drifting off topic again, we were in Nieuwport, Belgium for two nights in August last year. We received a very warm welcome from the marina staff and no interest at all from Affaires Maritime or Douanes who were both around the pontoons and passing on the water. Hopefully they have decided that it is better to attract than repel us boaters.
Richard.
PCUK
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Can't see why not. It does nobody any good and just causes problems for the Revenue Men and the UK boating industry. Of course leaving the EU (spit) will solve numerous problems throughout society.
Anders_P42
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Interesting, would they not try and charge duty on the fuel imported from outside of the EU?
Spi D
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Universal excuse for picking your pocket. Same in all countries, EU or not, it's just the label changing
BartW
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I wonder if the EU has to be blamed for that ?
when I was in UK with the boat (yes that was 3y ago)
marine diesel supply at 60/40 split was MUCH more expensive than white road diesel at that time (don't know how much it is now)
so imo there is a lot of "overhead" cost from the marine fuel distribution or profit for the marine fuel stations
if UK marine fuel stations would supply normal white diesel at normal road prices, (or slightly more)
boaters would be better off, and EU would not complain
don't shoot at me if I'm wrong.
when I was in UK with the boat (yes that was 3y ago)
marine diesel supply at 60/40 split was MUCH more expensive than white road diesel at that time (don't know how much it is now)
so imo there is a lot of "overhead" cost from the marine fuel distribution or profit for the marine fuel stations
if UK marine fuel stations would supply normal white diesel at normal road prices, (or slightly more)
boaters would be better off, and EU would not complain
don't shoot at me if I'm wrong.
Pinnacle
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rafiki_
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Bart, 60/40 works out about £1.15 per litre at our marina. White road diesel is about £1.39 per litre, so over a few hundred litres, it is still quite a saving. At this time of year one can claim more domestic use due to heating etc, bringing the price down a bit more too.
BartW
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OK, I've lost track of actual prices,
but iirc in september 2010, it was cheaper to fill the karnic on the trailer with road diesel then on the marine fuel station at 60/40, iirc
and I remember because I was so much surprised of that.
I also read online that UK road diesel has gone up so much the last few years...
so then ignore my financial advice
Portofino
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A bit like stamp duty on property transactions -introduced to pay for one of our wars -( first WW I think) and wait for it ------"-Temporary measure ". Well the war ended in 1918 but?...
If they were to repeel this tax 'due to the deficit monies would only have to be recovered some where else .
Leisure boating is a voluntary hobby perceived ( rightly or wrongly) to be a rich mans pastime by Joe public .
Idea in the run up to May 15 is to win as many potential votes as poss -
However standing on a platform of tax cuts is sure way to win votes -if they appear to effect everybody .
rafiki_
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Actually Bart, you should have claimed 100% domestic. I can't see Her Majesty's Customs pursuing you to BelgiumOK, I've lost track of actual prices,
but iirc in september 2010, it was cheaper to fill the karnic on the trailer with road diesel then on the marine fuel station at 60/40, iirc
and I remember because I was so much surprised of that.
I also read online that UK road diesel has gone up so much the last few years...
so then ignore my financial advice
Spi D
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Much simpler in DK, FYI.
The Government is World Champion in Tax collection so no VAT or TAX deductions here unless in commercial traffic (certified..)
Road diesel is carried in jerrycans etc. to marinas in huge volumes. Boaters add bug-fighting additives and we rarely see the bug.
Marinas do sell diesel and sometimes petrol. Price normally 10-20% above road diesel, claimed to cover the extra cost of running pumps at low sale volume places plus the extra price on a specila marine diesel without veggie ingredients ('bug safe'). All in all it is still more expensive.
The Government is World Champion in Tax collection so no VAT or TAX deductions here unless in commercial traffic (certified..)
Road diesel is carried in jerrycans etc. to marinas in huge volumes. Boaters add bug-fighting additives and we rarely see the bug.
Marinas do sell diesel and sometimes petrol. Price normally 10-20% above road diesel, claimed to cover the extra cost of running pumps at low sale volume places plus the extra price on a specila marine diesel without veggie ingredients ('bug safe'). All in all it is still more expensive.
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superheat6k
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Be careful with this. HMRC 60/40 allowance is made as a year round adjustment. They will expect your actual propulsion usage in Summer will be higher, and lower in the Winter.
Bear in mind the real reason for this was to stop a black market e.g. Mobos topping up from fishermen.
gjgm
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Are you suggesting the whole HMRC split was to stop leisure mobo's filling up from fishermen, or have I misunderstood you ?
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Where are you going and how long are you going for?