Etiquette and Sailing

Similarly I was once sat at the Jumping Jenny tea rooms at Brantwood on Coniston (excellent, if you don't mind a w-a-i-t)
I had my feet on a bistro chair at my table on the terrace. A "walker" and his SWMBO glared at me. I enquired if there was something wrong and he went off on one about people having to sit on that chair and would I be happy for my wife to sit.....etc.....etc.
I pointed out that as he hadn't waited to see what I did when I got up to leave he couldn't know if I was going to clean the chair with my paper napkin, or not.
So I was able to make him think about whether his rant had been appropriate.
 
No, his rant was entirely appropriate - if somebody was to put sh*t onto my seat I wouldn't really care whether he was going to wipe it or not, I'd simply rather he didn't do it in the first place.
 
Re: Feet on chairs

LakeSailor. On the basis of the limited evidence you have provided, I would say the unfortunate walker's behaviour was far more 'appropriate' than yours.
 
Re: Feet on chairs

You miss the point. I didn't say my actions were more appropriate.
I said I gave him the opportunity to consider it. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yes, if I drop dog ends or spit chewy out people rant before first waiting 3 hours to see if I was going to pick them up and put them in an ash tray or bin as appropriate.

Please keep your feet off the seats.
 
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Yes, if I drop dog ends or spit chewy out people rant before first waiting 3 hours to see if I was going to pick them up and put them in an ash tray or bin as appropriate.


[/ QUOTE ] Annoying isn't it?
 
why not put the knapkin (newspaper, book, tablecloth etc ...) under your shoes, then no problems about anything anymore /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Better still - sellotape the napkin to your shoes before you go out. This will ensure total cleanliness.

A good example of this approach can be found in any sandwich bar. Staff now handle food only when wearing super-clean gloves - which they also wear when handling tea towels, change and mops.
 
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I always appreciate a competent hand on the dockside and always offer one if possible. I always ask the skipper/crew what he wants me to do with any line offered though mostly the crew are clueless so I just do the best I can.

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A familiar story. I just make it clear that I'm there if wanted. If they don't need me then I'll stand back. Usually though you see a look of relief on the crews face as they realise that somebody is going to take the line for them. They then promptly throw the line in the water....just out of reach.
 
ahem - not sure of your drift ........ dirty shoes/protecting chairs/keeping ladies bottums clean um .......

ah ha - didnt lakesailor reply to a p.m. ....... mmm, poor form I would say /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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.... I'm afraid I see "helpers" like cross-winds and currents - awkward challenges to overcome but far less predictable than the natural challenges.

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I have a similar view, and politely deter assistance by saying something like "Thanks, but I want to practice". Likewise I won't assist unless someone looks like they really need it, if undecided I will offer but stand back unless the offer is accepted.

The really annoying ones are the ones who expect assistance, accept the offer and then stand looking at you critically as if you are hired help while you do everything for them - I have been known to drop the line and just walk away. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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The really annoying ones are the ones who expect assistance, accept the offer and then stand looking at you critically as if you are hired help while you do everything for them - I have been known to drop the line and just walk away. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Hey! Don't be too prickly! Remember that lots of folk are very unsure of their abilities and don't have a lot of experience. Add to that the lack of communication - they don't know what to expect from you, you don't know what to expect from them... and all the folk here who have told us how they pretend not to notice or deliberately ignore people coming in?!?

Chaps and chapesses, this is all horribly OTT! If you are around and someone is coming in, why not just stand by to see if you can lend a hand. If you are experienced it isn't terribly difficult to be useful. It really shouldn't be an issue and is just good manners to offer a hand when someone is coming in - which can be awkward for all sorts of reasons, including older crew having difficulty getting off.
 
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...Don't be too prickly.... lend a hand. If you are experienced it isn't terribly difficult to be useful....

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Don't have a problem with that and I don't mind helping, but as I said I won't be treated like hired help - if you want someone to do it for you pay for a crew. I'm on holiday too and my beer is probably going flat. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Yep, sorry lake sailor, but much as I always stand up for yachties, your description qualifies as bullying.
"I was able to make him think"???
 
Oh yeah. and his rant was .........well what was it?

In fact. Does offering the opportunity for someone to re-assess their hastily given opinion in the light of new considerations amount to bullying?
Yopu must have had a sheltered upbringining.
 
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