Ariadne
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Searush, the union flag on your ensign appears to be upside down !
It's a Welsh thing, in protest at not being recognised on the union flag!
Ensigns/flags
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It's a Welsh thing, in protest at not being recognised on the union flag!
Tugw
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Only objectionable to those who object to anything they can object to.
If you find wearing the blue objectionable then dont do it.
Ariadne
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It's Y Ddraig Goch then 'cos Henry Tudor was Welsh when he anexed England to Wales. The Sweaties still have that blue and white cross thing. ;-)
ukmctc
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What a long thread about nothing, there is no law enforced in UK waters about ensigns flown or not for leisure craft. If there was this thread wouldn't be here. I fly the NZ flag or the Scottish ensign on mine, the wife is a Kiwi and I'm Scottish, when overseas I fly the same ones with no problems at all, the boat is registered in the UK in Scotland and therefor Scottish but who really cares.
For all the distance people travel in UK waters most might as well just hang the washing from the stern!
For all the distance people travel in UK waters most might as well just hang the washing from the stern!
Appledore
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Dear Mr Woodlouse,
(See, I am being polite,
)Might I suggest you check with the Cornish Pasty Association as for the spelling of the aforementioned edible item?
Now, about these ants....
Appledore
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Might be a long thread, but much of it is surely of interest?
My own boat is registered in Guernsey, but as I don't live there I am not authorised to fly the defaced Red Ensign. Following on from an earlier thread some weeks ago, I actually got a PM from the 'Authorities' in St Peter Port suggesting that if I did fly the Guernsey Ensign (which I have but never use) I could be fined heavily! Now, if my boat was registered in Jersey, the Jersey Authorities have only recently changed their Regulations, whereby non-residents with boats registered in Jersey may now wear the Defaced Jersey Ensign on their boats.
If your boat is registered in the UK (Scotland is within the UK), then you may well be fined by the NZ authorities if ever they happen to spot you
Woodlouse
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Whilst you don't have to fly the correct ensign in UK waters I'm not sure the law is similarly lax over the flying of the wrong one. Though I should think as long as it's your own yacht no one is going to bother you about it. The laws will be in place to stop people maliciously flying false colours rather than yachties flying their home flag.
chinita
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A NZ Flag is nice, as is OZ, US and Canadian. The authorities in the Med love them as they can pounce on you to check your date of entry into the EU as you are only allowed six months here.
But you have a UK Registered boat! They will love that even more.
Take some friendly advice. Drop the Cavalier attitude and do as the law requires. You are doing what you like now in the UK and nobody really gives a ****. You will not find the same in France, Portugal or Spain. Your proud NZ Ensign will draw more attention than you need.
But you have a UK Registered boat! They will love that even more.
Take some friendly advice. Drop the Cavalier attitude and do as the law requires. You are doing what you like now in the UK and nobody really gives a ****. You will not find the same in France, Portugal or Spain. Your proud NZ Ensign will draw more attention than you need.
Penton Hooker
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One thing that I always begrudge the Dutch is their wonderful tradition of maritime linen, lucky people.
So what could possibly be worse than flaunting one's often assumed social standing at the mast-head, so to speak? A trip on the Broads will reveal all! Ensigns being flown without the relevant burgee, ensigns being worn on the jack-staff, dressing over-all using sea-side multi coloured bunting and ensigns being flown that are dipped, also seen on Welsh boats flying defaced, upside down blues
. And worse, boats trailing their warps and carrying their fenders permanently rigged. That just leaves the topic of captain's hats!! Do you wear one?
What the heck, it's all part of the fun!
So what could possibly be worse than flaunting one's often assumed social standing at the mast-head, so to speak? A trip on the Broads will reveal all! Ensigns being flown without the relevant burgee, ensigns being worn on the jack-staff, dressing over-all using sea-side multi coloured bunting and ensigns being flown that are dipped, also seen on Welsh boats flying defaced, upside down blues
. And worse, boats trailing their warps and carrying their fenders permanently rigged. That just leaves the topic of captain's hats!! Do you wear one? What the heck, it's all part of the fun!
Resolution
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It's not the colour that is important but the size. Mine is pink and very large, one occasion it even dangled in the water
Clearly this is boasting; but is there also a bit of fred drift? Are you still talking about ensigns or should we change your forum name to Rastus?
snooks
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The thing that gets me, is when people have gone to the effort of getting a warrant etc, to go off piste with their ensign colour, then don't fly the burgee to go with their non red ensign.
If you can't remember to put up the burgee, with the ensign and take it down again afterwards, do what I do, and stick to red.
If you can't remember to put up the burgee, with the ensign and take it down again afterwards, do what I do, and stick to red.
Searush
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The thing that gets me, is when people have gone to the effort of getting a warrant etc, to go off piste with their ensign colour, then don't fly the burgee to go with their non red ensign.
If you can't remember to put up the burgee, with the ensign and take it down again afterwards, do what I do, and stick to red.
Our club rule book insists that flying the burgee (prefreably at the masthead) is a REQUIREMENT for wearing the club ensign.
And the smart bums that think my canton union flag is upside down have been fooled by the picture & the stitching as viewed from the obverse. But what the heck, if you don't have one, you can only knock those that do.
If anyone thinks there is something to be jealous of, just join a suitable club & get your own permit.
Appledore
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And the smart bums that think my canton union flag is upside down have been fooled by the picture & the stitching as viewed from the obverse. But what the heck, if you don't have one, you can only knock those that do.
With respect SR, I think the OP is referring to the fact that the broad white diagonal stripe on the Union Flag, nearest to the flag staff, should be at the top, and not underneath, if you see what I mean.
One of my pet hates is to see the Union Flag (not Jack, as worn on HM Ships), worn upside down, but I am not really suggesting that yours is, it just looks like it may be!
Geoff
chinita
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How many times have you seen that?
I have never seen it in 40 years of sailing. I bow to your superior experience.
Poignard
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Anti blue ensign threads have appeared regularly on this forum for as long as I can remenber.
But do they achieve anything? Has anyone, as a result, actually given up flying a blue ensign?
Terrified by the abuse and death threats, SWMBO has often begged me to give mine up but I have always steadfastly refused. Am I just being pig-headed?
But do they achieve anything? Has anyone, as a result, actually given up flying a blue ensign?
Terrified by the abuse and death threats, SWMBO has often begged me to give mine up but I have always steadfastly refused. Am I just being pig-headed?
Rigger Mortice
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. Am I just being pig-headed?
No! Just stick to your ground. It's all a load of silly *******.
A good friend of mine passionately hates boats with blue ensigns. He flies a blue ensign himself!
(PS I know it should be "wears"!)
Penton Hooker
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There is nothing to be jealous of. I suspect that the only folk to be impressed by defaced ensigns tend to be those who own them.
Me, I'm a great believer in upholding our maritime traditions and heritage. Some of it is pretentious nonsense but apart from flogging the crew and hanging mutineers all quite harmless fun. Not so much that people do fly such flags, more so the elitist reasons that some choose to do it.
chinita
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On the rare occassions that I wear a tie it will be an Old School or Regimental one.
I doubt that more than one in a million would notice, one in twenty million would comment and one in fifty million would be offended.
So what does that make me? a snob? an elitist? or just somebody who does not give a **** about what others may think but wears the tie because it means something to ME?
That is the way I feel about my military defaced blue ensign.
I doubt that more than one in a million would notice, one in twenty million would comment and one in fifty million would be offended.
So what does that make me? a snob? an elitist? or just somebody who does not give a **** about what others may think but wears the tie because it means something to ME?
That is the way I feel about my military defaced blue ensign.
FWB
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Colour, shmuller.
What does it matter as long as the Union Flag part is the right way up
What does it matter as long as the Union Flag part is the right way up
snowleopard
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Which of course sums up this and every other ensign thread.
It must be so depressing to be able to read the minds of passing sailors and realise that they all despise you.