Appledore
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I live in Cornwall, lived here for the past 40 years, and was conceived in Port Isaac. Can I have two ants on mine please?
(Flag of St Piran).
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I live in Cornwall, lived here for the past 40 years, and was conceived in Port Isaac. Can I have two ants on mine please?
(Flag of St Piran).
jordanbasset
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now THAT is fecking funny.... have a virtual pint until I can buy you a real one...
Thank you, I have put it away in a dark place during the winter so it doesn't go any pinker, looking forward to getting it out again in a couple of weeks.
chinita
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If mine were a blue (which it could be if I chose, as I am a member of the CA) I would certainly not want to talk to anyone who wouldn't talk to someone because their ensign was blue. I prefer the company of sensible, grown up people
Well don't anchor near me as I would not want to talk to someone who would not want to talk to anyone who would not talk to someone because their ensign is blue.
KevO
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+1 what I think he said....
chinita
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Hey, where can I get one of those! Do they do one without the Scottish bits as well?
Easticks28
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My, that is a big chip on your shoulder. Not sure what I did to deserve it.
How am I entitled to wear a defaced blue? I am a member of the Royal Welsh Yacht Club which was granted the honour of the ensign & issues permits to qualifying members. Qualifying? Paid their subs, vessel over 7m LOA, registered & holder of a permit. I had to pay for my permit & bought the ensign from the club, all of which helps raise funds to support our C13th clubhouse. Gosh, maybe I am evil & superior after all.
Damned well earned the privilege? Or, as others have said, joined the right club!
Easticks28
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Penton Hooker
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So Easticks 28 or whatever has a chip on his shoulder? If he does then so do many others.
The whole debate really revolves on why folk choose to fly a defaced ensign. I'm sure that some have earned the right, and are justly proud of that, but I suspect that most fly such a flag because they can and others can't.
As for Easticks comment about bling boats being the predominant fliers of such flags, what is a 'bling boat', as if I can't guess!
The whole debate really revolves on why folk choose to fly a defaced ensign. I'm sure that some have earned the right, and are justly proud of that, but I suspect that most fly such a flag because they can and others can't.
As for Easticks comment about bling boats being the predominant fliers of such flags, what is a 'bling boat', as if I can't guess!
Rivers & creeks
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If only
If our Scottish cousins vote "yes" for independence then eBay will be awash with new English only ensigns. Go Alex go!
robertj
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I live in Cornwall, lived here for the past 40 years, and was conceived in Port Isaac. Can I have two ants on mine please?
I think you know that would be at the Discresion of the Stanary. I feel that conceived is different to birth in Cornwall. Sorry the law is the law!
Bob
Flashy
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Unless I'm much mistaken, the Cross of St Patrick is neither Scottish or English so you've a way to go before seeing English-only ensigns!
So it seems from this thread. Amazing. So far, however, all we've seen is inverted snobbery. This line is telling:
Suspicious indeed.
mcframe
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Printed, then sewn, always.
Me? I'm a 'merchant' by trade and claim that the blue and the white were only invented to protect Britain's mercantile interests... :->
Cardo
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Why don't fishermen get a special ensign? I come from a family of fishermen (albeit in Spain), shouldn't I get a special ensign? Maybe a red one defaced with a fish or something?
Ex-SolentBoy
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I guess I could take it bit more seriously if we actually had our national flag on the boat.
Many times cruising overseas I have been asked what country we are from and why don't we fly the union jack. I would prefer that.
The fact that we have as a country chosen to have different flags to denote what club you are a member of, or what job you once had spoils it all for me. It's seems a bit like wearing a club tie or knowing a secret handshake.
If we all just flew our national flag perhaps it would be easier to be patriotic. It's hard to get the masses to rally behind something that, whatever the history, is potentially viewed as elitist.
Appledore
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If I always go down the Tamar along the right bank, and up on the left, would I qualify for a few more brownie points?
Might even buy you a pastie (before they slap vat on them) if you ever venture up to Cargreen. You'll spot my boat, 22 footer, with a big defaced blue ensign, but with GUERNSEY painted on the stern!
Geoff
Woodlouse
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If I always go down the Tamar along the right bank, and up on the left, would I qualify for a few more brownie points?
Might even buy you a pastie (before they slap vat on them) if you ever venture up to Cargreen. You'll spot my boat, 22 footer, with a big defaced blue ensign, but with GUERNSEY painted on the stern!
Geoff
I'm afraid that by misspelling 'pasty' you have instantly disqualified yourself from any claim to be Cornish. I hope this doesn't come as too much of a disappointment to you.
Woodlouse
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My grandfather always used to say 'better a plain red than a defaced blue.' So, going by his impeccable standards;
Defaced Red,
Defaced Blue,
Red,
Blue,
White.
Then St. Piran.
skisimon
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What's wrong with club ties? If you join something because it means something to you, and you feel a part of it, why shouldn't you be proud to wear the colours? I suppose one should refrain from wearing club rugby shirts too...
I would be intrigued to know (and I'm just thinking and hypothesising out loud here)... Is the inverted snobbery coming from a section of sailors who took up 'yachting' so that they could feel superior to others (rather than purely for the joy of sailing)? Then, due to this particularly facile mindset, decide that there is an inherent class system with various ensigns. As they're the sort of people who like the ability to look down on others (preferably from their yacht), they find themselves put out because, whilst they might be in the yachtie pile, they're at the bottom of it...
As I say, wild conjecture (and probably hopelessly wide of the mark), but I would be sincerely interested to know just how wide of the mark. That will never happen, of course, as no-one would ever admit to taking up the sport for it's posing potential. Feel free to flame me for suggesting such an insidious thing...
As for the idea that multiple ensigns makes it more difficult to be patriotic about the flag worn on your boat. Personally, it's something which makes me incredibly patriotic - it's a sign of how rich and distinguished our naval heritage is. Whatever boat I've been on, the hosts have been passionate sailors with a love of sharing that passion (and I've sailed under every type of ensign bar RAFSA's light blue).
(Oh dear... I promised myself that I'd never become embroiled in an ensign debate...
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Flashy
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Sorry, but the Red was a Royal Naval ensign too and in fact it was senior to the Blue and White!
I've heard it said that the RN eventually chose white as the single ensign because Nelson was Admiral of the White Squadron at Trafalgar, but I can't find anything to back that up. Another nice story.
Red Admiral butterflies are named after Admirals of the Red. There are White and Blue Admirals too.
I probably come across as a massive nerd, but I love the links with history that have been preserved for us. Then again, I accept it's been spoiled a little bit by idiots, snobs and people with chips on their shoulders. It's probably been so since time immemorial, and it's best to ignore the morons.
robertj
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Wouldn't it make sense that only one colour is allowed to be flown?
I for one would go for the darkest colour (blue) as it wouldn't get dirty so quickly also I prefer the colour over Red or white, like topsides on a boat blue looks classier and smarter than other colours.
Bob
I for one would go for the darkest colour (blue) as it wouldn't get dirty so quickly also I prefer the colour over Red or white, like topsides on a boat blue looks classier and smarter than other colours.
Bob