landaftaf
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lotta water under the bridge eh ....... my memory sometimes plays tricks but I remember thinking I may avail of that reg sometime ...... will do some research this end ... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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BlueSkyNick
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There is a luxurious motor boat, whose name I can't recall right now, in the Solent who flies a white ensign. It was out and about on IFR day, most recently.
Who is entitled to fly a white on a private boat ??? RYS Members??
Who is entitled to fly a white on a private boat ??? RYS Members??
john_morris_uk
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Correct RYS members and HM Ships. Sometimes I feel its in that order...
Joe_Cole
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then suggest that I probably didn't need any help as I was Blue Ensign. Not sure how he worked that one out! He wasn't really rude, but I thought it a funny thing to say.
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It was probably meant as a compliment. Many people think that a blue ensign is worn by members of the elite clubs who, simply because they belong to those clubs, must therefore be good sailors.
then suggest that I probably didn't need any help as I was Blue Ensign. Not sure how he worked that one out! He wasn't really rude, but I thought it a funny thing to say.
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It was probably meant as a compliment. Many people think that a blue ensign is worn by members of the elite clubs who, simply because they belong to those clubs, must therefore be good sailors.
john_morris_uk
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Hmm - well I sort of guessed that was what he meant - but there's no real logic to it is there? I can muck up as well as the next person in reality...
Or perhaps what I should say is that membership of a particular sailing association does not automatically makes one an expert at close quarters handling etc.
And I wonder whether anyone will suggest that RNSA is and 'elite' sailing organisation, given what most people say about Naval Officers and yachts...
(And I suspect that the RNSA has more 'other ranks' than 'officers' before anyone questions this!)
Or perhaps what I should say is that membership of a particular sailing association does not automatically makes one an expert at close quarters handling etc.
And I wonder whether anyone will suggest that RNSA is and 'elite' sailing organisation, given what most people say about Naval Officers and yachts...
(And I suspect that the RNSA has more 'other ranks' than 'officers' before anyone questions this!)
AuntyRinum
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"do you (or does anyone else) know how these clubs etc came to have the authority to allow their members to wear the blue? In other words what started it all? "
The Royal Navy used to be divided into three fleets, the red, the white and the blue. Each ship flew the flag which identified which fleet it belonged to. Each fleet had an Admiral; The Admiral of the Red, Admiral of the Blue, and Admiral of the White.
Later it was decided that all RN ships would fly the white and all British merchant ships would fly the red. The RYS was the only yacht club which was allowed to fly the white.
In reality the blue was now redundant but, following this, occasionally the MOD would award a warrant to fly the blue to clubs or bodies that had, or still do, performed a particular service to the Crown. HM Customs for example.
I read somewhere that no new warrants have been granted since 1955 and are unlikely to be granted in the future.
The Royal Navy used to be divided into three fleets, the red, the white and the blue. Each ship flew the flag which identified which fleet it belonged to. Each fleet had an Admiral; The Admiral of the Red, Admiral of the Blue, and Admiral of the White.
Later it was decided that all RN ships would fly the white and all British merchant ships would fly the red. The RYS was the only yacht club which was allowed to fly the white.
In reality the blue was now redundant but, following this, occasionally the MOD would award a warrant to fly the blue to clubs or bodies that had, or still do, performed a particular service to the Crown. HM Customs for example.
I read somewhere that no new warrants have been granted since 1955 and are unlikely to be granted in the future.
Birdseye
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I had always understood that a reserve officer commanding a british merchant ship (used to be common when we had a sizeable RNR and some british merchant ships) was entitled to fly the blue ensign. Intended to be an indication to RN ships abroad where they could expect support etc.
landaftaf
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quite
john_morris_uk
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I have heard that argument before. Unfortunately whilst it may have some historical basis, it would be difficult to imagine a situation where a RNR officer would take command of a merchant ship. I don't remember reading about it happening very often in WW2! No doubt someone on the forum will put us right on this.
landaftaf
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well I can assure you there are rnr officers commanding merchant ships /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
john_morris_uk
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Whoops - I've just realised what you mean - I was thinking of taking up ships from trade and putting an RNR officer in command. Sorry - of course there are RNR officers serving in the merchant fleet. I'd better shut up as I try not to post on things I don't know about and I don't have much contact with the RNR.... as is probably obvious. My apologies.
Nich39Nige
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John,
As a ex rating who flys the Blue Ensign we are in a minority. The RNSA is trying to attract more ratings or ex ratings into the organisation to make it appear less ellitist. Personally I'm proud to fly it and have only good experiences with other members whatsoever their rank. I'm leaving the UK in September to cruise for the next ten years and intend to sail under the blue.
Nigel
As a ex rating who flys the Blue Ensign we are in a minority. The RNSA is trying to attract more ratings or ex ratings into the organisation to make it appear less ellitist. Personally I'm proud to fly it and have only good experiences with other members whatsoever their rank. I'm leaving the UK in September to cruise for the next ten years and intend to sail under the blue.
Nigel
mirabriani
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Have you missed out the admiral with no command who flies a yellow? Or is that a myth?
Regards Briani
Regards Briani
john_morris_uk
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You've been reading too many Patrick O'Brian books...
david_bagshaw
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I might be wrong but didnot the Queen grant the RYA the honor of a defaced ensign for its officers on rya business or something simlar.
My icc came back the other day with a defaced red ensign on it.!
My icc came back the other day with a defaced red ensign on it.!
BobGiles
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best of luck john...hope your time left is not to taxing....i have long since left the good game and am now struggling along in civvy street. I will look into the blue defaced ensign further and post my findings...lots of rag and pole men and women have returned usefull info for me so I will start the research.
bob
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