Sandyman
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something like that Some say 'Furnace Fuel Oil' but I believe the correct name was ''Furnace Feed Oil''
Far worse than dieso. Boiler cleaning was not R not fun
Ensign protocol: The question - Red or Blue?
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something like that Some say 'Furnace Fuel Oil' but I believe the correct name was ''Furnace Feed Oil''
Far worse than dieso. Boiler cleaning was not R not fun
Croak
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So would I be breaking a law if I made a yellow one, or a green one? not that I would, they would look bad with my red hulls.
jrc1983
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Well for a start Britannia wasn't driven by a 'piston' engine, she had steam turbines. Secondly in the maritime world the term motor ship/yacht is used, by universal convention, to describe those ships propelled by an infernal combustion engine; those vessels with other methods of propulsion, whether they be nuclear, turbo electric, gas turbine or steam are described accordingly.
capnsensible
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I like having a Blue Ensign on my Moody 33, made us feel quite cool when we entered customs in Venezuela.
Don't mind at all any opinions about it, just one of those things, if you feel you have earnt it, great, if no one else cares, good on em!!
Don't mind at all any opinions about it, just one of those things, if you feel you have earnt it, great, if no one else cares, good on em!!
Marmalade
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Although I have a warrant to wear a blue ensign I never do. I like a bright red ensign and am proud to wear it. What irks me is the number of people who wear faded pinkish ensigns that are tattered and torn as some sort of ancient trophy.
If you're going to wear colours - do so and look smart. Wear a bright red (or blue), non faded, non tatty ensign. Or don't bother. Please don't try to pass off a tatty ensign as anything other than laziness and disrespect.
If you're going to wear colours - do so and look smart. Wear a bright red (or blue), non faded, non tatty ensign. Or don't bother. Please don't try to pass off a tatty ensign as anything other than laziness and disrespect.
Seagreen
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I've just seen a really fantastic new anchor design!
I'll get my coat.
I'll get my coat.
xyachtdave
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That's an interesting point of view with regards to well worn ensigns.
I eventually replaced our well used ensign with one you would be proud of, though I do think a shiny new (especially oversized) flag gives an impression of 'newbie'.
My faded effort of which you would be ashamed shouted 'hero', 'offshore' and 'experienced'.
Or possibly 'I bet he leaves it up all the time when not on the boat'!
I think it's great people are enthusiastic about which colours they wear, where to fly a burgee in relation to another and all of that business. Good luck to them.
I rarely get time to iron my shorts before I rush down to the boat on a Friday evening, let alone bugger around with an ensign!
PS if the OP really wants a blue ensign in the Medway, it's no more difficult than joining MYC and paying about £80 for one and the warrant/burgee etc.
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Daydream believer
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Totally disagree
Only the dutch fly bright ensigns-- nearly as big as their boat
The French ( being ashamed of themselves) fly the tiniest flag they can find ( if fly one at all)
British flags must be faded it tells all that we have Been sailing the seven seas & rule the world. We do not have to fly massive flags. When the enemy saw Drake they did not need telling twice what was coming
I was really upset when the wife bought me a new ensign. No idea at all!!
Rivers & creeks
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Last summer SWMBO made me a fab white ensign with our own coat of arms; I find the whole ensign thing a delightful English silliness and I hope ours adds to the fun. The crest consists of a Kipper rampant, Seagull recumbent, terriers en-passant and anchors akimbo. We get asked about it everywhere and I'm jolly proud of it.
Sandyman
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Oh dear oh dear
A *******ised white ensign. You'll have all the checkered jacket & cravat brigade accusing you of insulting Lizzie 1. Throw him in the tower. Off with his head
Good on ya. You enjoy & sod em all.
Sandyman
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Woodlouse
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Sounds like more of a house flag. Should be flown from the masthead when racing.
wotayottie
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Have to say I don't normally bother but if I do it's a faded red. Laziness - no, but disrespect? What is there to respect for heavens sake. No. I don't see the point in paying for another flag until the current one is totally worn out.
Rivers & creeks
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I promise to do so whenever we race round the cans. We're off to the IOW this summer so the chances of a bit of Colvic Watson one design racing are high.
Daydream believer
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I dare you to Sail over to Belgium or France & fly it as your ensign -you might find that they have a different attitude to us re flags of nationality
TrueBlue
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Perhaps the preponderance of "Blues" was due to members of Rochester CC who have not long been entitled to wear a Blue. OTOH if the numbers were of the Rag and Stick brigade, then I know not - there are plenty of clubs around and anything to raise the profile of the Mudway is to be encouraged.
The point raised by other(s) about defaced blue ensigns is not entirely correct.
When the issue of Royal Warrants was first mooted, qualifying clubs could choose to be defaced (!) or not. Absolutely nothing to do with their perceived seniority / entitlement or whatever. Some felt it cool to be au naturel others chose their own defacement. When your realise that the principal reason for variation in colours is to be able to identify a group of vessels in a mêlée a defaced ensign is easier to identify than a tiny burgee...
If you want to wear a Blue for whatever reason, then join a club. Most could do with the subscription and you - in some small part - might be celebrating our past Naval history, when we could afford or needed THREE fleets. Sadly now down to a tiddler.
Brightwork
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I find that my blue ensign matches my blue trousers (faded or not as the case may be).
No doubt that a red duster will match red trousers (faded or not) equally well.
Each to their own.
No doubt that a red duster will match red trousers (faded or not) equally well.
Each to their own.
GrahamC
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Likley to be a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron, membership is by invitation with the privilege of flying the white ensign, Other Royal Clubs have blue ensigns, sometimes "defaced" with a device (Royal Forth have a Maltese Cross) the Blue Ensign can only be flown on a British Registered Yacht (SSR) , proof of which must be included in the application for the warrant from the Club Secretary. Blue ensigns are also flown by Royal Fleet Auxiliary Ships including Trinity House ships, Northern Lighthouse Board ships and the Sea cadet Ship "Royalist" . The Red Ensign can be flown by any UK ship or yacht, these three ensigns are the only correct ensigns, all others are in law illegal, but never known of a prosecution for this.
If you have the warrant and you sell the boat, your are required by law to return the warrant and remove the ensign, At my Club the charge for the privilege is £10, valid for 5 years.
Kindest
GrahamC
If you have the warrant and you sell the boat, your are required by law to return the warrant and remove the ensign, At my Club the charge for the privilege is £10, valid for 5 years.
Kindest
GrahamC
jrc1983
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Slight correction there. Trinity House doesn't fly a blue ensign but a defaced red. RFA and NLB do indeed fly blue but both are defaced, the former with a gold anchor and the latter a white lighthouse.
I believe it is still technically legal to fly historical ensigns as the right to their use has not been repealed in law, e.g. pre 1707 English and Scottish ensigns.
Rivers & creeks
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