Ensign, anchoring, colregs question with lights

[shmoo]

Boat A is wearing a Union Flag at the ensign staff and dragging its Bruce anchor on all warp 3 to 1. It is showing an all round mast head anchor light. Boat B is wearning a Union Flag at the right spreader and dragging its CQR on all chain 2 to 1. It is carrying a LED anchor light in the rigging. They are on a collision course. Which is the give way vessel?

 

[sailorman]

They deserve each other /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[akirk]

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Which is the give way vessel?

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Both - there is a PWC coming over the horizon /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Twister_Ken]

The one most likely to break.

 

[JasB]

At last! a realistic scenario

 

[fireball]

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both - there is a PWC coming over the horizon

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Does it have a professional skipper doing a charter then?

 

[floatything]

Which one is racing?

 

[john_morris_uk]

The one who anchored second?

Actually your post has had me laughing out loud - maybe partly due to the two pints of excellent Jail Ale I consumed when SWMBO and I took the dog for a walk?

 

[Searush]

The relevant rule is:

Wood gives way to GRP and GRP gives way to steel . . . . but flesh gives way when anything hits it hard enough.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Are you suggesting that my flesh is weak?

 

[Guest]

Obviously a trick question: Boat A skipper has lost it and has been at anchor so long that the ensign has frayed down to just the Union flag. But Boat B's anchor chain is rattling so much that Boat A thinks it is a bell fog signal and hides further below decks cuddling the radar screen for comfort. Boat A has a Bruce and is therefore is collecting every piece of ground debris it can along with the mooring chains of the harbour entrance buoy as it drags out to sea. So Boat A is the stand on vessel as the MARPA indicates the buoy is overtaking slowly.

Since boat B has a UK courtesy flags it must be a US boat. Since the skipper is so afraid of being sued they would of course have the £600 LED certified anchor light. Which along with the terrible exchange rate has ruined his cruising budget leaving him anchoring outside the harbour. He can however see the white light of boat A (interpreted as the steaming light) and green light from the harbour buoy, in tow, and is therefore the stand on vessel in this crossing situation.

Surely there is no other interpretation possible.

 

[MoodySabre]

If one is going into the stern of the other then that must be the overtaking vessel and should give away. By the sound of it they've both given way already.

Let's hope the foreigner doesn't know UK ensign rules or any detente wil disappear very quickly "Mien gott you are not dressed properly" err (checking flies) "I am mate so sod off" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Cruiser2B]

Well if they're dragging, they have to be going the same direction, so the only possible scenario is one upstream/upwind of the other, dragging faster. This is clearly an overtaking situation where the slower one must give way. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[sailorman]

Overtaking vessel keeps clear

 

[Cruiser2B]

Look at the definition of "overtaking vessel" again.

 

[TheBoatman]

I can spot a trick question ~ you didn't say which part of the country the boats were in.

Everybody knows that the colregs are different in (say) the Solent or the East Coast.

Anyway if we ignore that the answers simple ~ the give way vessel is the one that hasn't asked for a radio check, doesn't have a defaced blue and who's owner isn't wearing a Bretton cap.

Next question?

Peter.

 

[gandy]

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Look at the definition of "overtaking vessel" again.

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You're assuming, reasonably, that they're going backwards. Am I on the right lines?

 

[JasB]

Who has the biggest biceps?

 

[Slow_boat]

Johnny Foreigner is the give way vessel. Stands to reason.

 

[Cruiser2B]

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Look at the definition of "overtaking vessel" again.

[/ QUOTE ] Oh ... Sneaky!

You're assuming, reasonably, that they're going backwards. Am I on the right lines?

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Got it. Didn't specify a stern anchor, so assumed the norm.