Enforcement

Moxon said:
In at least one case in that article the fine is greater than the value of the boat.
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Quite possible but not sure why it is relevant?

Its worth repeating that the EA do not receive the fines which go to the treasury. The EA only receive the unpaid licence fee and prosecution costs - if indeed the conviction actually results in payment being received.

Sadly, the cost of pursuing delinquents is often far greater than any resulting income.
 
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At least the amount of the penalties incurred is greater than the sum required to purchase the river licence in the first place.It would also appear from the news item that some sort of collusion has been going on with the owners of the boat yards/moorings where these boats were kept.
IMHO its about time the owners of moorings are legally required to have sight of a current river licence as well as the usual insurance etc etc before allowing anyone to moor in their marina.

No licence and your out into the riverbank subject to the tender mercies of the EA and the local scrotes.............
Not having somwhere to moor would be a powerful incentive to cough up while the boater is still keen to get onto the water and spending money like it is going out of fashion.
It is not as tho the authorities do not bend over backwards to give folks enough time to get a licence.
 
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The C&RT have a web facility for reporting apparently unlicensed craft. You first need to enter the index number of the boat and if it is not recognised then you get to see this page where you can provide information:
http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/boat-check/submission/bi/12345678/status/1

I wonder how many folk are actually prepared to use this rather than feeling that it would be "snitching" ?
 
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oldgit said:
IMHO its about time the owners of moorings are legally required to have sight of a current river licence as well as the usual insurance etc etc before allowing anyone to moor in their marina.
No licence and your out into the riverbank subject to the tender mercies of the EA and the local scrotes.............
Not having somwhere to moor would be a powerful incentive to cough up while the boater is still keen to get onto the water and spending money like it is going out of fashion.
It is not as tho the authorities do not bend over backwards to give folks enough time to get a licence.
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Marinas are private property so what you suggest is probably not legally possible. However, I believe most, if not all, marinas do allow EA staff access to check for registration compliance and many unregistered craft were identified and pursued last year. In some marinas the delinquency rate was reported as being as high as 25%.
 
"Marinas are private property so what you suggest is probably not legally possible"

But surely the water in them is not ?
Bit like all those offshore tax havens sheltering people trying to avoid paying their fair share !
 
oldgit said:
"Marinas are private property so what you suggest is probably not legally possible"

But surely the water in them is not ?
Bit like all those offshore tax havens sheltering people trying to avoid paying their fair share !
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The water in an adjacent water marina is owned by the marina whilst it is on their private property. Of course if the marina is located within the confines of the Thames then the water is Thames water and any vessel kept there is required to be registered even if it does not use the navigation.

I am sure that Boatone understands the difference, but he continues to use the term delinquent for all boat owners accused by the EA, of registration offences, even when committed by boat owners that keep their boat in adjacent water marinas and never venture onto the Thames.

Oldgit, you always claim that all accused are trying to avoid paying their fair share, but if they keep an unused boat in an adjacent water marina why should they be expected to pay for a navigation (locks, lay bys, water points etc) that they are not using.

Forgive me if I am wrong but I am assuming that, as you are discussing the visitor registration costs of your planned visit to the Thames this year, and do not seem to be factoring in the number of free days that you can visit the Thames for if you are registered on another EA navigation, you have decided not to register you boat on the upper Medway this year. If this is the case, and if you do not moor you boat on the non tidal Medway, you are entirely correct in not buying an annual licence for a waterway that you do not intend to visit. Why then do you accuse an owner of an unused vessel kept in an adjacent water marina as trying to avoid paying his fair share?
 
Shame they still do not seem to be ramping up the other kind of enforcement.

Was moored up to one of the islands in Cliveden reach this weekend, thankfully the right side as it turned out.

There is always racing here as folks try to out manoeuvre each other to beat the other boat to the next lock.

Even I couldn't believe my eyes when a fairly new Broom 42 passed the other side of the island actually on the plane...(nope, I am not exaggerating)

The poor sods in the two narrowboats tied up that side will never forget the wash.

Would be an excellent place for the EA to hide with their radar guns.
 
Why oh why do people have to do this, and why oh why does it end up being a Broom more often than not :mad: . Didn't happen to see the name or notice any distinguishing marks by any chance. I know most of the 42s on the river.

Not guilty BTW. Mines tied up in Penton until tomorrow when we're off to Windsor Marina and the culinary delights of the Sun & Stars at Holyport :) I'm paranoid about my wash and probably spend as much time looking behind me as I do looking where I'm going.
 
The water in an adjacent water marina is owned by the marina whilst it is on their private property. Of course if the marina is located within the confines of the Thames then the water is Thames water and any vessel kept there is required to be registered even if it does not use the navigation.


"Oldgit, you always claim that all accused are trying to avoid paying their fair share, but if they keep an unused boat in an adjacent water marina why should they be expected to pay for a navigation (locks, lay bys, water points etc) that they are not using."


If your marina/cut/backwater/boatyard is only able to obtain water to keep your boat floating because it is connected the Thames, the infrastructure needed to keep you floating is maintained by the EA has to be paid for,at the moment by others.
Unless of course you have a very large tap constantly left running somewhere you are using Thames water to float....
The water I float on is provided by the moon.......and not sure of the exact address to send the cheque too.
Suspect by now you have finally realised this freebie is fast approaching its end.There probably is a invoice being entered into a computor somewhere at this very moment :)
 
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We may have seen 'Go with the Flo' down at Windsor over the weekend...:rolleyes:

Obviously this is just an observation, not tying it in with anybody else's weekend...
 
No Regrets said:
We may have seen 'Go with the Flo' down at Windsor over the weekend...:rolleyes:

Obviously this is just an observation, not tying it in with anybody else's weekend...
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Think that is a 35 and not capable of planing.

If it was a 42 and planing it should be reported, sounds unbelieveable that anybody would do that on a reach with moored boats.
 
According to Jim Sheads pages:

GO WITH THE FLO Built by Broom 35 in 1999 - Length 10.6 metres (34 feet 9 inches ) - Beam 3.7 metres (12 feet 2 inches ) a Diesel Inboard engine with a power of 135HP. Registered with EA Thames Region number F029812 as a Non Hire Annual. Last registration recorded on 23-May-2013.

So Chris_d is right, that one is a 35...
 
Whatever other merits the Broom hull may claim,it basically creates the sort of wash associated with dumping a couple of tons of brick rubble in the water.
 
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