boatone
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Not in my recent memory - and certainly not a sustained campaign like the lobster pots.
Enforcement above Teddington
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teddington_lock
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Actionmat
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If those boats aren't going through molesey lock for a pump out, or are customers of thames ditton marina, it's a dead cert that the fish or the foxes are getting the contents and not the vacuum hose. If the pump out machines issued timed and dated receipts and there was a requirement to keep them for 30 days for inspection, I might even risk a paddle next summer.
On second thoughts, having seen plenty of dead fish and raw sewage this year(thanks Thames Water), maybe not.
On second thoughts, having seen plenty of dead fish and raw sewage this year(thanks Thames Water), maybe not.
TT_WO
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I detect a hint of compassion when discussing liveaboards!
Worth noting that liveaboards who remain in a marina, would, in some instances, be better off if they took a legit liveaboard mooring as they could then be supported by the local authority.
Flynnbarr
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Compassion for anyone Down on their luck etc.
Legit liveaboard moorings??rarer than hens teeth!part of the problem,provide some,another source of income for the EA,then hound and actively pursue the rogue element and make it so difficult and expensive that it is, no longer an option for them
BUT...
The EA do not have the powers they need.out of the 60 boats at teddington they are interested in the 10 that are not licensed,the others are down to the landowners.the EA have jurisdiction over the middle third of the river,that is it folks,part of the problem,the third either side of the river is a mixture of riparian rights,landowners etc.why do you think they gather where they gather??
The EA,if the boat is licensed can only liase with other parties.the barge on the islands at taplow for 7yrs was licensed,MEANING the EA could do nothing......
The EA as it stands are powerless,they are 'license checkers',it needs joined up thinking from everyone.
The problem WILL get worse.....one things for sure it ain't gonna be the EA that solves it,the management think it's ok too patrol for henley regatta and not charge them!!!i
It's not cash or manpower,it's called joined up thinking,maybe new laws and a new organisation with real powers to check what people are doing with their sewage etc
Rant over!!
Sort it out plz,since we've had 'em in the maidenhead reach I've lost all my diesel over the winter twice,riverside tank only,not the only one to have been visited by the diesel faireys.now have anti siphons.....compassion.....hmmm.....
Alan ashore
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Do we know that only 10 were unlicensed? I'd really been thinking that the three numbers (10 reported for being unlicensed, 50 served with eviction orders and 60 boats visited in all) are probably mathematically linked in the obvious way. I mean maybe EA didn't bother reporting license offenses for the boats subject to eviction orders?
Flynnbarr
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One for boatone or teddington lock to answer perhaps??
boatone
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We don't "know" anything other than what we have been told. However, I would be surprised if the EA did not serve unregistered craft notices on unlicensed boats whatever the other circumstances so my presumption would be that the other 50 did have valid licences - but I might be wrong. Not quite sure what the eviction orders would be . Presumably you can't evict anyone from a boat if they appear to own it (but who knows?) and it would be an eviction notice for the boat to leave the mooring/land occupied?
The arithmetic isn't exclusive so its possible some or even all of the unlicensed boats may have been also served with eviction notices and the fact that 10+50=60 may be entirely co-incidental !
So many unanswered questions and it doesn't help that its so difficult to get straight answers from the authorities.
If anyones at the RUG8 meeting at TMYC tonight they may learn more.
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Flynnbarr
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Boatone
Am I right in thinking then that if only 10 were unlicensed that's all the EA are interested in?
Whenever I pass either by boat or on foot a lot are licensed.last time I was there one of the larger 'conversions' had an 'apology for the mess' sign up on the lower path!! It appeared to be a family boat,my understanding is that the council has a duty to re home someone who is homeless??what about kids in school etc.
It's a proper mess,one that should have been nipped in the bud,they ain't bin slipped or craned in,they must have come through a lock that is manned 24hrs??!!
Am I right in thinking then that if only 10 were unlicensed that's all the EA are interested in?
Whenever I pass either by boat or on foot a lot are licensed.last time I was there one of the larger 'conversions' had an 'apology for the mess' sign up on the lower path!! It appeared to be a family boat,my understanding is that the council has a duty to re home someone who is homeless??what about kids in school etc.
It's a proper mess,one that should have been nipped in the bud,they ain't bin slipped or craned in,they must have come through a lock that is manned 24hrs??!!
teddington_lock
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Could well have come through the lock.
What is the reference to us being manned 24 hrs for ?
What is the reference to us being manned 24 hrs for ?
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Flynnbarr
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Guys at the sharp end no,management probably.
It's in sight of the lock,when did it become a problem,10,20,30?is there 60 boats?
Or is it as I've asked,if they have a license there is nothing you guys can do.if the case you need new powers,someone should have asked for them.
I believe one of the larger ones is/was offering b&b facilities.is that true,how the heck was it allowed to get so bad?
Has it got worse since BW,CRT,clamped down heavily?
I am not looking for an argument/slanging match am genuinely interested how it got so bad with all the associated problems it brings for all the agencies involved.
It's in sight of the lock,when did it become a problem,10,20,30?is there 60 boats?
Or is it as I've asked,if they have a license there is nothing you guys can do.if the case you need new powers,someone should have asked for them.
I believe one of the larger ones is/was offering b&b facilities.is that true,how the heck was it allowed to get so bad?
Has it got worse since BW,CRT,clamped down heavily?
I am not looking for an argument/slanging match am genuinely interested how it got so bad with all the associated problems it brings for all the agencies involved.
Alan ashore
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I suppose to me it seemed relatively unlikely that of the 60 boats visited, 50 were licensed (implying of course that they also have BSS Certificates) - leading me to the suspicion that the numbers were likely not to be coincidental, but Flynnbarr having noticed that many of them are licensed does change that perspective considerably.
I can't help wondering exactly what the difference between the 50 served with eviction orders and the others was.
I can't help wondering exactly what the difference between the 50 served with eviction orders and the others was.
Actionmat
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It does annoy me that I have to pay £6.50 to spend the night at Teddington because the free moorings are hogged and have been for years. It would have been a nice gesture on the EA's part, if they'd suspended mooring fees for the first 24 hours until the evictions took place. I'm beginning to begrudge my licence fee because of situations like this and the extra mooring fees probably add another fifty quid to my annual EA bill.
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
boatone
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That is my understanding. The EA have no interest in the bankside which I believe is owned by Richmond Borough Council - I don't even think it is a "recognised" mooring as such. The EA can only enforce the craft license requirement (which includes the BSS status).
They are not "homeless" but are living on a boat. If they are turfed off their boat and the boat is seized then they would, presumably become "homeless", if they have no place to go. and the local authority would need to do something about that.
See my earlier comment re being licensed. A lockie can't refuse passage just because they think someone might be intending to moor illegally somewhere upriver. In fact, I think I am right in saying that a Lockie can't refuse passage at all, even if a craft is unlicensed or refuses to pay. All they can do is issue an unregistered craft notice and report the details to Reading. Perhaps TL can confirm?
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boatone
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Would be good to try and establish/understand the facts before attacking the EA over a problem that is not, primarily, their responsibility?
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
About half way along it turns into Kingston (there is a honking great stone) and some of the boats fall into this sector as well. Dont wait for Richmond Council to do anything they are too busy dishing out parking tickets...
Actionmat
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It's sure as hell not my responsibility, but I'm inconvenienced and out of pocket. The EA is fair game on this issue, so why are you defending them?
boatone
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I often ask my self the same question. I "defend" them in the same way that I will defend anybody that I think is being unreasonably accused of something that is not their responsibility. In this case the mooring issue is a local authority matter and nothing to do with the EA. You are not inconvenienced or "out of pocket" because of failure on the part of the EA. You do not have to pay to moor on the EA Moorings, you could find somewhere else if you wish. Personally, I am happy to moor on the Lock moorings and do not begrudge the £6.50 which goes directly into the running of the river.
The EA are currently running a trial enforcing compliance with mooring requirements on the moorings they directly control e.g. Weybridge, Walton, Oxford etc. I certainly don't want to see EA money and resources being taken up in areas that have no benefit to the agency and reduce their ability to give me, as a boater, better value for my licence fee..
watson1959
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Looks like time for popcorn and lemonade