Endurance 38?

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Has anyone got any experience with these? They seem to have a good pedigree and some modern ones exist while retaining the traditional shape. Southerly have one on their books for example from 2005 which appears to be good value for a 7 year old boat.

I'm curious if they are regarded as a genuine ocean going boat and feedback from anyone that has sailed one?

http://www.southerly.com/brokerage/endurance-38-3317006.html

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northcave said:
I'm curious if they are regarded as a genuine ocean going boat and feedback from anyone that has sailed one?
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Always struck me as a Tradewind with a deck saloon - a combination much to be desired if you're looking for a long-distance liveaboard. The one you're looking at is described as a sloop, but I think most are cutter-rigged.

Caveat - never sailed one. Might actually be a dog!
 
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This is a bit of a strange one as it was for sale last year by Network yacht brokers and was, I believe, sold. It was listed concurrently in the Southerly brokerage so it may be an old ad or it may be back on the market. I made a serious attempt to buy the boat but the owner would not move from asking price. The hull requires a re spray and the sail wardrobe needs beefing up having only the original main and genoa. The interior is maple - nice, but not everyone's cup of tea. It needs refurbishing in some places where it has experienced premature wear and water staining. The layout is excellent and makes good use of the space and it does feel like a modern boat wrapped up in a more traditional design. I would say you would need to spend a bit on her to get her suitable for distance work - and you have to factor in the hull re spray. The 38 was the last incarnation of the original Endurance 37 and was the last tweak Peter Ibold did to the design before he died. It was tweaked to address some of the shortcomings of the original Endurance 37 with regard to 'modern' sailing, ie the bowsprit was removed and mast extended and the long keel cut away to aid parking and reversing in more confined spaces, switch to sloop rig to reduce sail handling. By all accounts, sailing performance was improved, particularly lighter airs with a slight loss in weight/stability/comfort. Still ocean going - you bet!! If you have the cash, it would make an interesting buy and it is definitely a head turner - but get the hull resprayed as it really lets it down. I still have loads of photos somewhere from when I tried to get a deal together. PM me if you want any of them or have any other questions. I would be happy to answer them. Incidentally, as Twister Ken eluded to, I ended up buying a Tradewind! Ken, you are on the money there!!:D

Rob
 
robmcg said:
This is a bit of a strange one as it was for sale last year by Network yacht brokers and was, I believe, sold. It was listed concurrently in the Southerly brokerage so it may be an old ad or it may be back on the market. I made a serious attempt to buy the boat but the owner would not move from asking price. The hull requires a re spray and the sail wardrobe needs beefing up having only the original main and genoa. The interior is maple - nice, but not everyone's cup of tea. It needs refurbishing in some places where it has experienced premature wear and water staining. The layout is excellent and makes good use of the space and it does feel like a modern boat wrapped up in a more traditional design. I would say you would need to spend a bit on her to get her suitable for distance work - and you have to factor in the hull re spray. The 38 was the last incarnation of the original Endurance 37 and was the last tweak Peter Ibold did to the design before he died. It was tweaked to address some of the shortcomings of the original Endurance 37 with regard to 'modern' sailing, ie the bowsprit was removed and mast extended and the long keel cut away to aid parking and reversing in more confined spaces, switch to sloop rig to reduce sail handling. By all accounts, sailing performance was improved, particularly lighter airs with a slight loss in weight/stability/comfort. Still ocean going - you bet!! If you have the cash, it would make an interesting buy and it is definitely a head turner - but get the hull resprayed as it really lets it down. I still have loads of photos somewhere from when I tried to get a deal together. PM me if you want any of them or have any other questions. I would be happy to answer them. Incidentally, as Twister Ken eluded to, I ended up buying a Tradewind! Ken, you are on the money there!!:D

Rob
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Was that a 35 or 39 & what's it like to sail?
 
alant said:
Was that a 35 or 39 & what's it like to sail?
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It was a 35. I was stealing myself for slow sailing performance after some dire warnings from others but to be honest, I have been very pleasantly surprised. The boat is solid and feels heavy- nothing happens too quickly but we can get a fair pace out of her in anything above a F3 and I don't seem to find that we get left behind. The boat carries its way much better than others that I have sailed so you get a more constant SOG as the wind gusts and then abates. Upwind, the boat is a real trooper and has actually changed my mind about sailing upwind - it can be enjoyable even if you are not quite as close winded as a more modern cruiser racer. My opinion is subjective, if you enjoy racing around at 8 knots and tweaking the rig performance then you would probably find it a bit slow, but then you probably wouldn't want something like a Tradewind. I think performance is helped on ours as we have the bowsprit which slightly increases rig size and sail area. The cutter rig is also pretty versatile. So far, it is the boat that has been the most satisfying for us to sail which seems a bit vague and I can't really be more specific, just feels 'right' to me.

Rob
 
northcave said:
Has anyone got any experience with these? They seem to have a good pedigree and some modern ones exist while retaining the traditional shape. Southerly have one on their books for example from 2005 which appears to be good value for a 7 year old boat.

I'm curious if they are regarded as a genuine ocean going boat and feedback from anyone that has sailed one?

http://www.southerly.com/brokerage/endurance-38-3317006.html

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There's a nice looking Endurance 35 on here, described a a "coastal cruiser"!
http://www.richardsepstein.com/boat/
 
alant said:
There's a nice looking Endurance 35 on here, described a a "coastal cruiser"!
http://www.richardsepstein.com/boat/
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That is a cut above the typical Endurance 35 - pity that you could not realistically import it into the EU. Most 35s are Ferro and vary in quality widely - as well as in price. 37s are GRP but relatively few around. 40s are probably worth hunting down, but again relatively few built compared with 35s.
 
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Sybarite said:
That is a particularly nice looking one but I feel that their image in general is let down by the variation in building materials and quality as many were fitted out by amateurs. That may or may not affect its resale value. I have looked at many - on paper - and have been disappointed.

OTOH, if you could find a nice one of these :

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1969/Essex-Yacht-Builders-Salar-40-2601241/Victoria/Canada
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Or one of these...

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2011/Vancouver-38-Pilot-2328271#.UkmXqhacNnQ
 
Sybarite said:
That is a particularly nice looking one but I feel that their image in general is let down by the variation in building materials and quality as many were fitted out by amateurs. That may or may not affect its resale value. I have looked at many - on paper - and have been disappointed.

OTOH, if you could find a nice one of these :

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1969/Essex-Yacht-Builders-Salar-40-2601241/Victoria/Canada
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'Lush'.

With the multitude of deck photo's, obviously expecting a sailor to buy it.
Double the price of the Endurance 35.
PS
Notice that a few of these west coast boats have hinged doors, rather than washboards.
 
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alant said:
'Lush'.

With the multitude of deck photo's, obviously expecting a sailor to buy it.
Double the price of the Endurance 35.
PS
Notice that a few of these west coast boats have hinged doors, rather than washboards.
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This one's expensive because it has been beautifully restored. Others are available at £40-50k.
 
northcave said:
Has anyone got any experience with these? They seem to have a good pedigree and some modern ones exist while retaining the traditional shape. Southerly have one on their books for example from 2005 which appears to be good value for a 7 year old boat.

I'm curious if they are regarded as a genuine ocean going boat and feedback from anyone that has sailed one?

http://www.southerly.com/brokerage/endurance-38-3317006.html

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Remember seeing this boat in Salcombe in the summer. It's a good looking yacht. The young skipper told me it was his father's boat and he had recently purchased a Southerly hence their connection I suppose.
 
Sybarite said:
That is a particularly nice looking one but I feel that their image in general is let down by the variation in building materials and quality as many were fitted out by amateurs. That may or may not affect its resale value. I have looked at many - on paper - and have been disappointed.

OTOH, if you could find a nice one of these :

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1969/Essex-Yacht-Builders-Salar-40-2601241/Victoria/Canada
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Seems like you've been lusting after one for years http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?119473-The-perfect-cruising-boat ;)
 
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