Neddie_Seagoon
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If it helps you feel any better my cars average 16 and 18.2mpg respectively, but then I'm a raggie so I make up for my auto extravagance when sailing /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Steve
Steve
End of an era?
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Major Catastrophe
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Re: Hear Hear
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The dinosaurs I believe lasted a whole heap longer in their ruling of the Earth.
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and fish have beaten the lot.
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The dinosaurs I believe lasted a whole heap longer in their ruling of the Earth.
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and fish have beaten the lot.
oldgit
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/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.Actually looked at log today.Did 160 hours from June to June.
Further reading produced the interesting little snippet that my first fill up up cost me 24p per litre and the most recent 46p. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Further reading produced the interesting little snippet that my first fill up up cost me 24p per litre and the most recent 46p. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Althorne
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I think aircraft might be the first to get the chop. They produce the most pollution of all transport, but then of course there's the chinese. Not sure if I want to do without my takeaway every friday night!!!!!
jcmmarine
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These experts seem to be missing the point. CO2 production has increased in line with the planets population. One person produces about the same amout of CO2 in a year as a medium car doing 6,000 miles. Just as an aquarium can only support so may fish the plannet can only support so many people, particularly if we all have a car and a boat.
BrendanS
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for the sake of avoiding an arguement that has been going on here for years, can you provide a source for this information, and preferably a few simple charts that summarise this information?
Ships_Cat
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Think he is up the pole with his figures but some inkling of validity as I think most peeps don't consider repiration as a significant contributor.
One reference is at http://itest.slu.edu/articles/90s/hannan.html which among other things gives a comparison between cars and human respiration production of CO2.
The paper uses a petrol quantity which I would imagine would be consumed over quite alot more than the 6,000 miles the poster mentions but regardless, a car contributes much more CO2 than respiration. However, one assumes there are far more peeps on the world than cars so's that will alter the balance quite a bit and it is clear that our breathing is actually an important contributor so perhaps a good first suggestion to solving the problem is that the greenies should all do the noble thing and remove themselves from the planet (or at least stop breeding).
John
One reference is at http://itest.slu.edu/articles/90s/hannan.html which among other things gives a comparison between cars and human respiration production of CO2.
The paper uses a petrol quantity which I would imagine would be consumed over quite alot more than the 6,000 miles the poster mentions but regardless, a car contributes much more CO2 than respiration. However, one assumes there are far more peeps on the world than cars so's that will alter the balance quite a bit and it is clear that our breathing is actually an important contributor so perhaps a good first suggestion to solving the problem is that the greenies should all do the noble thing and remove themselves from the planet (or at least stop breeding).
John
BrendanS
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I'm trying to be a bit more forum friendly before kicking them in the balls. It's hard though.
jcmmarine
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A person produces, on average 0.025 cubic meters of CO2 an hour = 220 cm year, up to 4 times that when exercising (stop exercising) a modern efficient car produces apprxximatly 1% CO2. A 1.5 litre 4 stoke @ 2,500 rpm consumes 112.5 cubic meters of air, allow a bit of inefficiency = 1.2 cubic meters of CO2. Average say 40 mph & 6000 miles per year that is 150 hours which equals 180 cm CO2 year. As for population increase, that was in the programme.
A question for you, You have a glass of water with ice cubes in when the ice melts will the water level rise?
A question for you, You have a glass of water with ice cubes in when the ice melts will the water level rise?
BrendanS
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stop, my sides are hurting
Sixpence
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Can't resist an more B , where the hell did you get all the emoticons , they are great , but are they easy to post
BrendanS
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do a right click on any emoticon I've posted, you can copy and paste, they are all on photobucket. If you are smart, you can link to the whole album. If you post that link tho I'll delete it, I think people should be smart enough to link without being spoonfed.
Andrew_Fanner
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Hope you're right. All depends on how hard the financial screw is turned I suppose. When you think that a modest twin-engined cruiser with average use consumes nearly as much fuel (and generates as much CO2) in a twelve month as FOUR modest family saloon cars.
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Easy to "prove". Define "modest". Now I'd say a Seamaster 30 with twin 4108s on the Thames is modest. At that stage I'd reckon the car thing becomes utter loblosck. And what about whole life? The four cars, assuming that they are new, will all be in the bin in ten years, with associated disposal issues. The aforementioned Seamaster is probably 30 years old now and good for at least another 20.
Sorry, the tale sounds like poorly researched journo/politico crap intended as agenda driven prolefeed.
Hope you're right. All depends on how hard the financial screw is turned I suppose. When you think that a modest twin-engined cruiser with average use consumes nearly as much fuel (and generates as much CO2) in a twelve month as FOUR modest family saloon cars.
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Easy to "prove". Define "modest". Now I'd say a Seamaster 30 with twin 4108s on the Thames is modest. At that stage I'd reckon the car thing becomes utter loblosck. And what about whole life? The four cars, assuming that they are new, will all be in the bin in ten years, with associated disposal issues. The aforementioned Seamaster is probably 30 years old now and good for at least another 20.
Sorry, the tale sounds like poorly researched journo/politico crap intended as agenda driven prolefeed.
pheran
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I stated my assumptions in the figures I posted above. I kept them simple so that even the likes of an NHS administrator should be able to understand them. Sorry, can't be bothered to spell it out any more just to have it dismissed as journo/politico crap - I'm off to Crete for a fortnight. Keep your nose to the grindstone!