Embarrassed

Nice caring chap you are Deleted User!

Clearly all motorboaters will be proud of your considerate attitude.

The fact is the wash from commercial vessels, or the fast ferries, simply isn't a problem. The only 'professional' boats that ever cause a problem are the pilots blasting out of Portsmouth.
 
Re: Embarrassed - No, not realy

Sorry but what a load of bull.
VERY often I am overtaken by sailing dinghy's in Chichester Harbour, why don't they obey the speed limit? And yes you are right, Competent skippers of motorboats can avoid the slower sailing vessels and do. Please tell me the last time a motor boat hit a sailing boat??? Last accident I recall was a sailing boat sinking a motor boat!

When you get a couple of To$$ers in their dinghy seeing who can get their arse closest to the water, taking no interest or notice of what is going on around them, that is when an accident is going to happen, thank God for vigilant motorboaters.

I have a question - how many of you sailors display an inverted cone when under sail and power? Or even better how many actually own one??
The neglect in displaying the cone is an obvious scam so that when you hit a motor boat you can turn off your engine and claim 'power gives way to sail'. I'm on your case and will be reporting any sailing boat I see ignoring this COLREG.

Happy sailing :¬)
 
Re: Embarrassed - No, not realy

Sorry Bull or not facts is facts
If a sailboat pass you doing over the speed limit 6Kts? He must think its his birthday!

I agree with you about the skiff type sailboats RS400? I was anchored and one guy out on the trappeze nearly lost his head on my stern because he was not look were he was going.

Regarding Cones! I suspect as many as motor boats fly the black ball when anchored!

Happy Motorboating
 
A few home truths

Try sailing up Southampton Water then or mooring in Town Quay Marina if you want to experience the wash of a Red Jet ferry or the vast wake of the Harbourmaster's Nelson
A few home truths
1. The vast majority of motorboat skippers try very hard to minimise the effects of their wash on other craft
2. A planing motor boat may look less threatening at 10 knots but it makes just as much wash as it does at 25knots
3. There's all sorts of commercial traffic out there which generates far greater wash than planing motor boats so if your boat is going to be endangered by the wash of a motorboat, it should'nt be out there
4. The Solent is nautical equivalent of the M25. If you expect to go out on a Summer weekend and not experience discomfort from wash, then perhaps you should think about boating elsewhere
 
Re: A few home truths

Surprising as it may seem I have - and I repeat - the only boats whose wash has caused me discomfort are certain motorboaters, and the pilot/harbourmasters' launches.

I agree that the majority of motorboaters are considerate, but there is a significant minority who think as you do; and that gives the considerate ones a bad name. That after all is where this thread started!
 
Re:Nearly totally disagree

I've sailed and powerboated in the solent a lot. Saying that "most" powerboats mind their wash can't be based on much research, imho. In any case, "most" people don't commit crime etc. but the remaining small percentage is still too many. Same with powerboat wash.

The main Solent commercial traffic runs on predictable routes and hence is predictable, big, and visible. Not so with a 25-30 knot powerboat. I don't think it is reasonable to plane up to yarmouth harbour on a calm summer day and suggest to others that if they can't deal with it they should get a bigger boat.

Imho, anyone disagreeing with the notion of powerboat wash being often annoying and sometimes dangerous, regardless of size of boat, hasn't been sailing on the solent very much if at all.

Note that you won't see much if any of the annoying wash stuff unless in a sailboat. The world moves five times slower. A yottie at the helm of our powerboat remarked that the sailboats seemed stationary.

real examples from a part timer (me) include

1 Big Broom planing throught the mooring trots at Yarmouth, as above. Quite reasonable for those on the moorings to have been making tea, and or with kids and reasonable to not expect a powerboat at such speed at such close quarters. Nearby ferry creates no such wash, hoots on the way in and out too.

2 Big GB planing 15m past sailboat into Beaulieu. Loads of verbal from him about there being no speed limit.

3. Two big powerboats in close formation on autpilot, parted a little to pass either side of us with 20m to spare.

4 The Peters Seatech training boat ploughing up through chichester harbour at around 12 knots whilst a bloke on a sailboat was up the mast. Threw him all over. I saw him - why didn't Peters? Cos he's never been sailing, perhaps.


Loads of other stuff.


On a friday ecvening, out in the solent (which is quite empty at that time) i diverted 150m or so to go around the stern of a sailboat. They saw the move and radioed thanks . I checked that it wasn't sarcastic. So sailboats sometimes notice. But really, they shouldn't notice powerboats at all: note that (on sailboat) if you notice a powerboat - he's probably too close. Alternatively, (on powerboat)if you can tell if they are rasing one finger as opposed to two - again, probably too close.

Mind you, in weather like this, it hardly matters - the waves subside quickly in the chop. It's on calm days when sailboats even move slowly, when powerboats can go even faster fast, and their wash lasts for ages and ages and ages.

All imho etc etc and no offence etc
 
Disagree with your disagreement with my disagreement

All in IMHO and no offence either Matt but you seem to do most of your boating in the Med whereas I've done all of my boating in the Solent for the last 14 years so give me some credit for knowing what I'm talking about. Oh and BTW, some of that boating has been done on sailing boats so I know how threatening and noisy a powerboat passing close by can be
Yarmouth. Could'nt agree more. I've shouted at tossers zooming past the moorings outside the harbour myself. Totally thoughtless and inconsiderate. But I've also overnighted on those moorings when the Cherbourg ferry came past throwing me out of bed and, believe me, no power boat generates a wash like that ship.
Beaulieu, another good example; no way would I plane past any boat in the narrow entrance but you know and I know that a boat like the GB makes nearly as much wash at 10 knots as it does at 16 knots so whilst slowing down is a courtesy, it does'nt reduce the wash effect much
So you diverted 150m to go round a sailboat. Big deal. Practically everyone does that only its very seldom that you get any kind of acknowledgement. Where I do agree with you is that we motorboaters are not sufficiently aware of yacht crews working on deck taking down sail or up masts or in some other delicate condition such as batwinging where wash can cause a problem and maybe there's a case for more education and more consideration
 
Re:Nearly totally disagree

All IMHO of course but if they don't like a bit of motion when out sailing I suggest they give it up or move to a lake.

Of course the vast majority of motor boaters will alter course to avoid giving a sailing boat to much wash but 150mtrs???? Not sure you could ever be 150mtrs away from a sail boat in the Solent.

I guess the only answer is for motor boaters, jetski's, fishing boats, hovercraft commercial ships, RNLI and just about every other vessel which has an engine over 30hp to get off the water because we don't want to upset the yotties do we?

Next thing the yottie's will want is subsidised moorings paid for by all us Gin swigging motor boaters. Never happy unless the're moaning. ;¬)
 
More disagreement

I can usually handle wash, though it is annoying on a calm day - what gets my sailing crew upset is the feeling of helplessness as a motor boat appears to come come straight at us and make a course alteration at the last minute. We are never sure the helm has seen us; its probably relative speed that causes it and we are always perfectly safe, but it does not feel that way. That may further explain the negative reaction.

Commercial craft are not an issue as we can predict their movements and take early avoiding action.

But if you want real terror watch the charter motor boaters on the Thames as Cookham lock opens on a Bank Holiday and they find themselves in the middle of a dinghy race tacking 10 feet from their hull. Makes the Solent look spacious.

BTW I drink gin too....

Keith
 
Re: More disagreement

I love the Solent on a hot summers day, seeing yachts big and small, I love the freedom boating brings. After all we all love boating, sails and all.
The Solent wouldn't be the same without the vast number and types of boats who use it.
I for one wouldn't change a thing.
 
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