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I must agree that the level of insult and vitriol towards a fellow sailor has become wholly unacceptable, and I would suggest the moderators take action against the perpetrators with immediate effect!!

Do you not know how hurtful the term "inadequate saddo" is to a fellow sailor??







Hypocrisy indeed ;)
 
chrisbitz said:
I wish I could express my feelings better, but I feel so uncomfortable about this whole subject.

It seems to be a group of 5-10 people making continuous and repeated cutting, nasty, and thoroughly unpleasant slurs against a fellow sailors' integrity, decency and motives, without any concrete evidence.

How is that different to severe bullying? I alerted the moderators to this many weeks ago, and (I assume) they considered it, and ignored my worries.
I can only imagine that the board owners are rubbing their hands with glee at the activity on this board, in consideration of the increased advertising revenue of post count statistics.

However, bullying should be universally unacceptable, and if the subject of a concerted bullying campaign should somehow come to harm, then what would the legal responsibility of the moderators and board owners be, in addition to all the negative publicity?

If it was my sister or your sister who was having all this vitriol aimed at them, how would YOU feel? I'd be devastated!

I have no knowledge of any situation, but imagine if an unstable person were to have this campaign aimed at them? I think the potential outcome is too dreadful to imagine, even if it is complete conjecture.

I doubt this will get through or have any impression on the nastiest of "haters", and of course, bullies do it because it makes them feel better about themselves, so I doubt they're going to stop, but at what point to the moderators say "This is unacceptable behaviour towards another fellow sailor" and lock the subject?

Or as I suspect, is it purely down to visitor and poster stats?
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How do you bully someone who is not there?
She was getting support and help until she started blaming everyone but herself for the situation.
Then she disappeared from the thread. Up 'til that point people had been engaged in trying to understand and solve the problem.
She certainly hasn't displayed any decency towards those who had been suggesting solutions.

I am getting fed up with the Holier-Than-Thou tone of some of the posters on this thread. If the forums moral compass doesn't reach their standards, do they think the forum should change?
Or should they find a more loving, less realistic forum to post on?
 
Lakesailor said:
I am so sorry that many of the forumites fall below the high standards you set for yourselves.

Tough.
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OY . Lakey. Enough of your enuff eh please !

The subject of your and others momentary amusement did not start out to be lampooned.
You may not have kids but surely ( shurely, Shirley? ) you are an uncle or at least can remember all the bloomin bull**** and swagger we wore as young adults trying to get a foothold eh?
Come on man. Lighten up .
Why dont you ask your wife for a sense of perspective or-Gosh! - a woman's POV even?


Remember your carburettor thread ? The problem was a lack of PROPORTIONAL response, I seem to remember.
50 onto 1 , vitriol in bucket loads instead of a few words of caution from the wise old ' been there done that' folk on here, well, do you perhaps see the similarity?

I certainly am not expecting JE to post back, crikey she's not a glutton for more abuse. Just earn the dosh, launch, move it, get on with life.
And this is not the Leounge..
( Though if you keep telling someone they're a prat/useless/unworthy /grasping/ not one of us... Well that does not exactly help or leave much room for manoeuvre does it?
But you know that .
As do the other snidey hidey keyboard stone throwers , none of whom seem to have any experience of driving their own career or indeed owning a tub larger than a average yoghourt pot ( but I could easily, happily be wrong on this last one)


Well, this particular member of the 'Tea and sympathy' brigade ( I prefer ' we don't condone relentless bullying outside of the Leeounge) wonders what is to be gained by actively belittling a fellow boat owners aspirations and efforts.

Well that's my ' rant' for the day.

Enjoy your boating guys!
 
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Lakesailor said:
How do you bully someone who is not there?
She was getting support and help until she started blaming everyone but herself for the situation.
Then she disappeared from the thread. Up 'til that point people had been engaged in trying to understand and solve the problem.
She certainly hasn't displayed any decency towards those who had been suggesting solutions.

I am getting fed up with the Holier-Than-Thou tone of some of the posters on this thread. If the forums moral compass doesn't reach their standards, do they think the forum should change?
Or should they find a more loving, less realistic forum to post on?
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How do you know she's not there? You can't know, she might be using a pseudonym. If it was me that was being bullied, I'd be sobbing into my coffee, and I certainly wouldn't be posting anything!

It's nothing about a moral compass. The terms and conditions of this forum explicitly forbid harassment, so in all honesty and not holier-than-thouness, how is this not harassment against a single forum member?
 
Graham_Wright said:
I really despair at the levels of inane comments that have followed my post.

The news I posted was that Ellie had not been seen at the boat yard for some time. This is information with some interest. .....In future, if I glean any further information, it will be disseminated by pm only to those who have shown responsibility.
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Graham, please stop and reflect for a moment on what you are doing, unless of course you are part of some media stunt with JE.

News must have some public interest, otherwise people have a right to privacy. This kind of amateur sleuthing around and then posting information about the personal whereabouts of a real person on a public forum has no public interest, perhaps a little creepy even, perhaps a little illegal and certainly wrong.
 
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Maybe I'm just old, cynical and hard-arsed, but some folks have a very strange idea of "bullying" and "harassment"- I wonder if the terms would still be idly thrown around if it were I or another gnarly old sod on the receiving end rather than a "damsel in distress"??

the mods have had plenty of opportunity to draw a line under the discussions if they deemed it necessary...
 
chrisbitz said:
It seems to be a group of 5-10 people making continuous and repeated cutting, nasty, and thoroughly unpleasant slurs against a fellow sailors' integrity, decency and motives, without any concrete evidence.
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Like posting a news item which effectively says "She's either dead or done a runner", you mean? Wallowing in someone else's problems ain't improve by sanctimony.
 
chrisbitz said:
How do you know she's not there? You can't know, she might be using a pseudonym. If it was me that was being bullied, I'd be sobbing into my coffee, and I certainly wouldn't be posting anything!
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Would you continue to post elsewhere, like on your website, or your blog, or your facebook page?

It's nothing about a moral compass. The terms and conditions of this forum explicitly forbid harassment, so in all honesty and not holier-than-thouness, how is this not harassment against a single forum member?
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I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing, as harassing or as intrusive as someone going to Preston Marina to interrogate boat owners and marina staff about Eleanor's activities and then posting the results here. Downright creepy.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Would you continue to post elsewhere, like on your website, or your blog, or your facebook page?



I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing, as harassing or as intrusive as someone going to Preston Marina to interrogate boat owners and marina staff about Eleanor's activities and then posting the results here. Downright creepy.
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But say you were there anyway. And retied your neighbours loose warp, as you do. And noted that they were not around. That's not creepy, but neighbourly surely?
I think genuine concern for someone who has ominously gone silent is not particularly creepy at all. More a genuine wish, in goodly spirit, to elicit good news about them and their whereabouts

Remember. Don't kill the Golden Goose, Jumblie. There's more verses in you yet of Elizmor poetic empowerment I reckon!

( I have been trying to work a Garmin into the Fourcandles shop inventory .. ' I would like a Gar, man and a good steer on where to go to catch another one"..... Ain't really up to calibre.)
 
This has turned into a rather unusual quandary.

On the one hand, I don't personally believe there is any malicious intent in any of the posts. JE has attempted (and succeeded in some terms) to use social media to her benefit. It hasn't worked out quite as well as she was probably expecting. Some people are a bit peeved at being "used" in this respect. However, it's all pretty harmless, apart from maybe Preston's image, but they have dealt with that well. The various threads have now descended to a few regulars having a bit of a laugh during these cold, rainy days. Most posts are just silly, and don't really apply to the original issue anymore. Every now and then someone will pipe up claiming JE is being bullied. Maybe I'm off the mark, but I don't see anything on here as bullying? I'm sure if JE were to post something she would receive nothing but support.

On the other hand, if JE has taken some not-so-positive posts to heart, she could be truly upset. Even if this wasn't the intention. Also, she may be unwell and that's why she's not been around. Let's face it, one isn't much of a social media guru if they just drop off the grid right in the middle of a campaign.

I appreciate Graham's update in relation to JE not being seen. Although I'd rather the update had been the other way around, as that would confirm JE is ok and it just getting on with her life. I don't suppose anyone at Brighton could confirm if she's ok?

Bloody heck, I don't half rant on.
 
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chrisbitz said:
If it was me ....... I'd be sobbing into my coffee, and I certainly wouldn't be posting anything!
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Ahemmm!!

Excuse my stuttering nervousness. This is my very first (and, probably, my very last) post on this whole topic, in any of the threads.

If it were me, having had lots of enthusiastic and helpful initial expressions of support and interest, on YBW and elsewhere, I'd have wanted to keep it rolling.

That would mean keeping my fans updated.

If I didn't, I would feel I were being rude to them.
 
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She doesn't come across as one who gets scared off by "stuffy middle-aged men with incredibly rigid views on what 'yachting' is" lol.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?187082-YM-Feb-Jellyellie-a-waste-of-space

Prob just somewhere in the caribbean escaping the British winter for a bit. Wish I was! Not quite the best time to be putting a risky boat back in the water. She will be back eventually. Don't know why people are feeling aggrieved at her absence.
 
Vitriol - really -"vitriol"? And apparently it's 5 to 10 people being vitriolic so there must be lots of it! Can you copy and paste some please, give us a variety of posters, that way you can substantiate your accusation of mass bullying.

Nothing personal you understand, except that you got rather personal and accused a bunch of people of being mass bullies who were posting vitriolic attacks on Ellie, which is libellous, open to legal action by the recipients of your attacks. Why did you say that Graham? It has had the effect of keeping one of your threads on Ellie alive. Unintentionally of course, perhaps the law of unintended consequences?
 
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Blueboatman said:
But say you were there anyway. And retied your neighbours loose warp, as you do. And noted that they were not around. That's not creepy, but neighbourly surely?
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Yes indeed, but I wouldn't spread it round the interweb. For a start, the OP of this thread has now conveniently informed the ill-intentioned of an unoccupied boat with a nice new plotter, fenders and anchor conveniently aboard ...

Remember. Don't kill the Golden Goose, Jumblie. There's more verses in you yet of Elizmor poetic empowerment I reckon!
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Thank you. Perhaps I should mention here too that I shall be delighted to hear news of Elizmor's launch, and that I am sure Eleanor would get a friendly and encouraging welcome if she started posting news.

She'll be Garmin round Elizmor when she comes
She'll be Garmin round Elizmor when she comes
She'll be Garmin round Elizmor when she comes
She'll be Garmin round Elizmor, Garmin round Elizmor
Garmin round Elizmor when she comes

Singing aye-aye-shippy-shippy-aye ...​
 
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