bumblefish
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I have just been to see one of these, any members have any thoughts, advice or any thing?
Elizabethan 30
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Evadne
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Nice boats, designed by David Thomaas so as you'd expect they go rather well. I have a 29, which is a different beast altogether, so I'm not in a postion to advise directly. There is an active owners' association, website here, with an email contact to the secretary, Ian, who has one.
Robin
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I used to own a Liz 30, lovely boat. David Thomas design built by Peter Webster in Lymington for the Half Ton World Cup, designed to go upwind well in a blow and then come the Worlds and it was light winds and Scampis took the cup - we wuz robbed! very like the Co32 below, same interior volume and layout, keel stepped mast. I will probably get flamed but we beat most Co32s with ours, the LWL is the same, the Co just has an overhanging (and prettier) bum to give the extra LOA. Ours had a Bukh 10hp, adequate but more would be nice. The early versions had a wooden rubbing strake covering the hull/deck join, later ones had aluminium toerails instead. It says a lot that David Thomas owns and I think races one today.
The moulds were taken over and used to make the Hummingbird 30, same hull but different coachroof.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Robin
The moulds were taken over and used to make the Hummingbird 30, same hull but different coachroof.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Robin
Dyflin
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ST gave it a rave review a few years ago when they reviewed it. Used boat of the year I think they called it?
Kurrawong_Kid
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I had one for 8 years. They came in 2 draught sizes-5 feet and 6 feet(?). Mine had the 5 feet keel and went like a rocket when it was F4 or above. In lighter winds you had to pile on ghosters, cruising shoots etc. or motor to make speedy progtess. Mine had been part fitted out by the first owner although the main mouldings were made by Peter Webster. Some may be of questionable quality if home completed. General build quality was very solid-no deck leaks or springy decks. In short, an excellent yacht, although ba little cramped below.
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designed to go upwind well in a blow
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who was it who was saying recently "the wind was F7 gusting F8... Didn't I hear a lot of harumphing around the forums about AWBs abilities to sail upwind in such conditions?" ? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
designed to go upwind well in a blow
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who was it who was saying recently "the wind was F7 gusting F8... Didn't I hear a lot of harumphing around the forums about AWBs abilities to sail upwind in such conditions?" ? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Pinnacle
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Do you really classify this as an AWB????
That keel and rudder configuration? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
That keel and rudder configuration? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Not at all!
Robin
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who was it who was saying recently "the wind was F7 gusting F8... Didn't I hear a lot of harumphing around the forums about AWBs abilities to sail upwind in such conditions?" ?
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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My comment there as you know was about the long keeled modern Island Packet not doing too well in those conditions, when according to some that kind of boat should be in it's element! The Liz was good in heavy weather, in ours we had a first and second and first overall over 2 days of F7 in our last regatta and the results were gained on the upwind legs.
I don't remember the light wind performance as being poor but we did carry a full suit of headsails including a light genoa, no roller furling in those days. The Scampis took the honours in the Half Ton Cup and were very good in light winds, Olivia Anne 1V I think was still kicking ar-se many years later too.
We also overtook a sizeable part of the Sigma 33 Nationals fleet one year going out of the Needles Channel, we had the #1 genoa and just a family crew and they had starcut spinnakers and full race crews, at least until they saw what we were doing, got them busy on the foredecks.
Robin
who was it who was saying recently "the wind was F7 gusting F8... Didn't I hear a lot of harumphing around the forums about AWBs abilities to sail upwind in such conditions?" ?
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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif My comment there as you know was about the long keeled modern Island Packet not doing too well in those conditions, when according to some that kind of boat should be in it's element! The Liz was good in heavy weather, in ours we had a first and second and first overall over 2 days of F7 in our last regatta and the results were gained on the upwind legs.
I don't remember the light wind performance as being poor but we did carry a full suit of headsails including a light genoa, no roller furling in those days. The Scampis took the honours in the Half Ton Cup and were very good in light winds, Olivia Anne 1V I think was still kicking ar-se many years later too.
We also overtook a sizeable part of the Sigma 33 Nationals fleet one year going out of the Needles Channel, we had the #1 genoa and just a family crew and they had starcut spinnakers and full race crews, at least until they saw what we were doing, got them busy on the foredecks.
Robin
Allan
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They sound like the sort of boat to go on my list! Does anyone know what the headroom is like for a 6 footer?
Allan
Allan
bumblefish
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Just about 6 feet in the saloon. Hands off she is mine. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Robin
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There is standing headroom for a 6 footer easily in the centre, the mainhatch system and hatch garage is arranged so that this, plus a little bit, extends forwards until by the main bulkhead it is probably 5'10" (?). I'm 6ft and it wasn't a problem for me but then I was also 20 years younger and a bit less diameter. These are not huge boats, internally are more or less the same as a C032, look at the plan view from atop the mast and you will see they narrow up as you go forwards and max beam is about 2/3rds back.
