Ubergeekian
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I think it may just be the front half of something, in transit to be matched up with an attractive rear end. Whole boats don;t just ... stop like that.
Elan 310... I'm in love!
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I think it may just be the front half of something, in transit to be matched up with an attractive rear end. Whole boats don;t just ... stop like that.
Malish
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ugly thing - is it made of ply?
snooks
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Careful Jelly, you're not old, you're not grumpy, and you're not a bloke, but that did make you sound like a grumpy old man!
AliM
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I'm with Jelliellie on that one. I visited it at SIBS and hated it.
Everyone to his own, though. If monkfish likes it, who are we to criticise.
Good luck and fair winds, Monkfish!
Everyone to his own, though. If monkfish likes it, who are we to criticise.
Good luck and fair winds, Monkfish!
jellyellie
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Careful Jelly, you're not old, you're not grumpy, and you're not a bloke, but that did make you sound like a grumpy old man!
I was just being polite! I could have gone all chav and down with the whole "mate that is some fugly **** there, you'll get burnt when you realise you gotta pay for the second half too", but no, I was very reserved, and all I get is stick...
And I think James would say otherwise about the grumpy bit!
Judders
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People in glass houses/Colvic Victors should not throw stones in my oppinion.
I am not at all convinced about twin rudders on boats of this size (beam, not length) but the lines look good to go. The thing is, how much is actually to make a go faster boat and how much is the marketing? And don't tell me that RH can not design to either brief.
Only one way to find out Elan brokers...
I am not at all convinced about twin rudders on boats of this size (beam, not length) but the lines look good to go. The thing is, how much is actually to make a go faster boat and how much is the marketing? And don't tell me that RH can not design to either brief.
Only one way to find out Elan brokers...
jellyellie
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And in my opinion Milestone is a beautiful, seaworthy ketch, unlike this oversized half-complete plastic dinghy ;-)
monkfish24
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Interesting, I love these! I've driven one and can say that i would quite happily have one
:await's screwed up faces studying the screen in disbelief:
Big dinghies are good for me as that is what i want. I'd rather this Elan than a Bav/Jen/Ben, sorry but for boats they are horrible things.
flaming
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It's a bit odd these days, the performance Elan range.
The 340, 380 and 410 are obvious sisters, and the 410 at least has a well proven track reccord on the race course. The 340 and 380 are still waiting for top crews to have a real crack at it. (Although Dezzeo (380) and Prime Cut (340), have both shown bursts of good pace, coupled with unfortunate incidents at mark roundings).
But the 310 and 450 don't seem to fit in. The twin rudders, bowsprit and reeeeaaaallly fat backside are at odds with the rest of the range. It's almost like another range entirely. What odds there's a late 30s boat with the 310/450 styling on the way?
The 340, 380 and 410 are obvious sisters, and the 410 at least has a well proven track reccord on the race course. The 340 and 380 are still waiting for top crews to have a real crack at it. (Although Dezzeo (380) and Prime Cut (340), have both shown bursts of good pace, coupled with unfortunate incidents at mark roundings).
But the 310 and 450 don't seem to fit in. The twin rudders, bowsprit and reeeeaaaallly fat backside are at odds with the rest of the range. It's almost like another range entirely. What odds there's a late 30s boat with the 310/450 styling on the way?
Twister_Ken
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"I've driven one and can say that i would quite happily have one"
Bet you haven't driven one fast (a relative term in a Spit) around a bumpy corner, though.
Bet you haven't driven one fast (a relative term in a Spit) around a bumpy corner, though.
Twister_Ken
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Monkfish,
If it really is true love, why not approach the agent and ask if anyone is going to campaign one seriously, then say you'd love to be on the crew? Who knows, there may even be a works boat that you can sail the knickers off.
If it really is true love, why not approach the agent and ask if anyone is going to campaign one seriously, then say you'd love to be on the crew? Who knows, there may even be a works boat that you can sail the knickers off.
boatmike
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Excellent! Know your place in the scheme of things! But doesn't it just illustrate that as I keep saying "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT BOAT" !!!! One mans meat is another mans pork chop.. Wouldn't wan't one me'self but then I don't fancy next doors missus either.... but he loves her!
stav
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So they are uncontrollable then: Monkfish go hang your head in shame when you have what looks to be a really nice boat in the picture.
My advice if you want to go fast sail somebody elses Kerr or a first 40.7, may be a J and buy yourself a nice hustler 30, ufo 31 or a rustler 31.
flaming
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No, just struggling for regular crew.
In fact conversations with, and running alongside, the 380 seems to suggest that the latest incarnation of Elan cruiser racers are actually a marked improvement on previous models in resisting a broach.
Regular forumites may recall I race a 37, and whilst I absolutely love that boat, it's not a boat for novices to drive hard downwind.
monkfish24
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ken, no i drove it on a field as it wasn't road worthy after having a ford zetec transplant. Stav, she is a lovely boat, i love it to bits, in one way i've caught the bug to go up in boat size as she's too small to spend a long time on and also i'd like to do a lot more competitive racing. I like the comment about if a boat hits a mark then it's poor handling. It may well be poor skippering? I like the idea of campaigning one, that's probably something to look at as i'm working in portsmouth for a year i'm in the ideal location. I take it the company would be reluctant to let me do it for them 
Cerddinen
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Don't forget that these boats work by sailing at alarming angles when going to windward. This reduces the wetted area to a minimum but necessitates the twin rudders in order to have some grip on the water. This is fun if most of your sailing is downwind.
Cerddinen
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And the Triumph Spitfire would have been a truly brilliant car if they had added an upper wishbone to the rear suspension - only the GT6 Mk3 ever benefited from a revisions. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the design which is still used by current Corvettes.
Twister_Ken
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"I take it the company would be reluctant to let me do it for them."
They're probably going to want a works crew aboard, especially the skipper, but there's usually room for rail ballast. If you get to be a trusted crew member, then you might be asked to skipper the boat on positioning trips. My first bit of skippering was bring a race boat back from Fecamp when the owner decided to go to Paris for the rest of a long weekend. After that I was regularly in charge of moving the boat to race weeks, getting it back from family cruises, etc.
They're probably going to want a works crew aboard, especially the skipper, but there's usually room for rail ballast. If you get to be a trusted crew member, then you might be asked to skipper the boat on positioning trips. My first bit of skippering was bring a race boat back from Fecamp when the owner decided to go to Paris for the rest of a long weekend. After that I was regularly in charge of moving the boat to race weeks, getting it back from family cruises, etc.
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Twister_Ken
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"And the Triumph Spitfire would have been a truly brilliant car if they had added an upper wishbone to the rear suspension"
Not sure about 'brilliant'. It was only ever a Triumph Herald in wolf's clothing.
And my Hillman Husky offered much more comfort for teenage nookie.
PS - My flat mate's GT6 chewed-up rear wheel bearings like they were Smarties.
Not sure about 'brilliant'. It was only ever a Triumph Herald in wolf's clothing.
And my Hillman Husky offered much more comfort for teenage nookie.
PS - My flat mate's GT6 chewed-up rear wheel bearings like they were Smarties.
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Tranona
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I had the (mis)fortune to visit the Triumph factory regularly in the 60's. After a while I summoned up the courage to ask my buyer contact why every worker seemed to have their own personal hammer. Well, was the answer, how are they going to get bits of the cars to fit without it!