Eco-threat is coming

And???????

and what, exactly is NEW therein?

I know Studland Bay is a specific case where there are issues but I've yet to see one shred of ... well anything in fact ... that I can get worked up about at this stage elsewhere

I realise that the outcome, which is as yet an unknown, *could* have a negative impact for leisure boaters but then equally it could have a positive outcome.

What isn't going to help is a regular pressing of the panic button when there is actually nothing new to report - it's just going to desensitise people so that if and when there is a real issue people won't respond because they're bored with the whole subject

Bru
 
brup,

'what exactly is new' is the entire new 'marine planning' set-up I put the link to.

This is not 'pressing the panic button' , it is trying to raise awareness; no doubt it is of no interest either that holding tanks will soon be mandatory and more anti-fouling restrictions are on the way.

'what would be handy' is if instead of quibbling about which regulation etc when I try to alert you, you might actually take heed and listen, in the case of the new 'Marine Planning I have given a link, and if you bothered to read it you'd find your area is first. I don't exactly stand to make a profit out of all this do I ?!

No doubt you will shortly be moaning 'why did no-one tell me ?'...

To which my reply will be 'I gave up trying, I was wasting my time', I presume that will suit you better ?

If you think Studland Bay is unique, boy are you in for a surprise...
 
Seajet said:
brup,

'what exactly is new' is the entire new 'marine planning' set-up I put the link to.

This is not 'pressing the panic button' , it is trying to raise awareness; no doubt it is of no interest either that holding tanks will soon be mandatory and more anti-fouling restrictions are on the way.

'what would be handy' is if instead of quibbling about which regulation etc when I try to alert you, you might actually take heed and listen, in the case of the new 'Marine Planning I have given a link, and if you bothered to read it you'd find your area is first. I don't exactly stand to make a profit out of all this do I ?!

No doubt you will shortly be moaning 'why did no-one tell me ?'...

To which my reply will be 'I gave up trying, I was wasting my time', I presume that will suit you better ?

If you think Studland Bay is unique, boy are you in for a surprise...
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Thanks for the link.

I find the following fable helpful in these situations :-

Once upon a time, a poor farmer was dismayed to learn his horse had died during the night. All the neighbors exclaimed, “Oh, that’s terrible, that’s terrible.” To which the farmer responded, “Maybe, maybe not.” Meanwhile, a rich man in the village heard of the poor farmer’s plight and gave him one of his horses. The neighbors exclaimed, “That’s wonderful, how marvelous.” To which the farmer nonchalantly replied, “Maybe, maybe not.” The farmer’s son was riding the new horse and was thrown and severely injured. The neighbors said, “Oh, that’s terrible, terrible.” And the farmer said, “Maybe, maybe not.” In the spring, war broke out in the land. Because the son was in a cast, he was unable to go off to war where all the other young men were dying.
 
Thanks Seajet

I don't see an imminent threat to our hobby there yet, but was concerned a bit by the lists of interested bodies. Lots of industrial and environmental ones and just the RYA 'on our side'.

It is possible that good could come from all this, we are all committed, I think, to preserving this wonderful area. However it is also vital that we resist silly legislation (save the lugworm?) and so on.

Am I right in thinking that it is still early days and that the process of conultation is still being set up? If so then we should all register our requests to be kept informed and consulted.

Unless I have missed the point. (possible)
 
PaulGooch said:
I obviously need to take up village idiot classes, because (once again) i can't find where all the information about the plans that will impact me are.

Could someone please show me ?
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Precisely my point. That's because there aren't any yet.

And the "entirely new marine planning setup" is NOT new! Oh the website may have been fiddled with a bit but there is not one scrap of new information at all. If I've missed something, be so kind as to tell me what and where (rather than ranting at me)

The situation is exactly the same as it was the last time this subject was raised and it, to be honest, p*ss*d me off that I just wasted a chunk of my day wading through the MMO website (for the third time) trying to find what had prompted Seajets latest post.

Seajet ... instead of getting on my case for "taking no notice" perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us what has changed since the last time you posted on this subject

My point to you is that if you keep posting pointless "panic now" messages when there is, in fact, nothing new and, as yet, nothing to panic about, you will have exactly the opposite effect to the one I assume you want to have

Bru

P.S. Rather than take no notice, I took a great deal of notice of your initial post herein - it worried me greatly that I might have just spent our savings, and then some, on a boat only to find that we would be unable to do the half of what we'd hoped to do with it

So I waded through ALL the threads on the subject, waded through all the postings on other forums, waded through the MMO website and all the other info I could dredge :) up on the internet. It took a lot of time.

D'you know what my conclusion was? That I broadly support the stated aims of the MMO, that I further find nothing to press the panic button about and that even with regard to Studland Bay there is nothing officially proposed as yet let alone decided.

WHEN something new happens, I'll be interested to hear about it. When someone actually proposes banning all moorings on the River Crouch I'll don me tin hat and take my place in the trenches. So far, nobody is even suggesting ANYTHING that could have an adverse affect on leisure sailing on the East Coast as far as I can see
 
Brup, we've invited Balanced Seas to the ECF fitting up supper in the spring to tell us about the process they are following, and as best they can, the current state of play and their aspirations.

This seems to me to be the right approach. Work with them to understand rather than rant at them. The way they choose to take this forward may not be the one we'd choose, but I agree, taking time to listen and engage is better than just out and out confrontation. The time may come later for more direct action, but now is not that time.

Oldharry seems to be doing a wonderful job of engaging with the MMO to ensure that our voices are heard, and I for one would like him to be seen to be representing a rational group rather than an inflammatory one, albeit one with a determined commitment to maintaining our rights (and that position must be clear to them right from the beginning)
 
Morgana said:
Brup, we've invited Balanced Seas to the ECF fitting up supper in the spring to tell us about the process they are following, and as best they can, the current state of play and their aspirations.)
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Aware of that, good work it is too. Unfortunately can't be there myself

Morgana said:
This seems to me to be the right approach. Work with them to understand rather than rant at them. The way they choose to take this forward may not be the one we'd choose, but I agree, taking time to listen and engage is better than just out and out confrontation. The time may come later for more direct action, but now is not that time.
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Absolutely the right approach IMO. And I come off the back of 20 odd years involved in inland waterways politics so I know of what I speak

Morgana said:
Oldharry seems to be doing a wonderful job of engaging with the MMO to ensure that our voices are heard, and I for one would like him to be seen to be representing a rational group rather than an inflammatory one, albeit one with a determined commitment to maintaining our rights (and that position must be clear to them right from the beginning)
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Sounds good to me! Unfortunately, I don't think there's a lot I can do to help other than add my name in support of a reasoned approach - living over 100 miles from the coast and with the two of us working shifts which overlap less than twice a month it's going to be hard enough finding the time to sail the boat, I doubt we'd have the time or energy to get involved in the, for want of a better word, "politics"

Bru
 
Morgana said:
know the feeling.... i'm not a millions miles from you, living near Stamford
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Ah! Just up the A43 then and straight on at Corby

I suppose it could be worse ... when we first moved down hereabouts from the North East we moved to Daventry which really is just about the middle of the country!
 
Morgana said:
you'd be surprised how many of us there are in this neck of the woods.... I know at least a dozen or more personally that are in Nottingham, Northampton, Peterborough, Leicester and surrounding area
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Oh God! I'm surrounded!!!!!! :eek: :D

Oh hang on, it's all right ... there's an escape route to the South
 
Morgana said:
Brup, we've invited Balanced Seas to the ECF fitting up supper in the spring to tell us about the process they are following, and as best they can, the current state of play and their aspirations.

This seems to me to be the right approach. Work with them to understand rather than rant at them. The way they choose to take this forward may not be the one we'd choose, but I agree, taking time to listen and engage is better than just out and out confrontation. The time may come later for more direct action, but now is not that time.

Oldharry seems to be doing a wonderful job of engaging with the MMO to ensure that our voices are heard, and I for one would like him to be seen to be representing a rational group rather than an inflammatory one, albeit one with a determined commitment to maintaining our rights (and that position must be clear to them right from the beginning)
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I agree with all you've said here Neil.
 
Morgana said:
you'd be surprised how many of us there are in this neck of the woods.... I know at least a dozen or more personally that are in Nottingham, Northampton, Peterborough, Leicester and surrounding area
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nr Wisbech here, so not a million miles from a few of you. Although we're only 15 minutes from Wisbech marina, the boat lives at Shotley, so i dare say we're in convoy with a few of you along the A14.
 
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