Eberspachers - are they worth it?

[contessaman]

If you really want the pre start feature you can convert what you have now I.e. a supplementary heater to a parking heater fairly simply by adding a water pump and a means of introducing a W bus trigger like a remote control. The supplementary hearer is simply TTC - the pump, usually controlled by the vehicle bus.

now that is very interesting! I might PM you (rather than drift this thread which im usually guilty of...) for more info when I get a minute if you dont mind...? she only does the run with the kids it goes through me that the engine never gets warm. I change the oil every 3000 miles but it would be even better if I could rig a timer for it to be all warmed up!!

 

[grumpy_o_g]

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the garage has a big sign KEROSENE. I am sure it is actually 28sec heating oil. I am aware that americans call paraffin kerosene, I am aware that JET A1 is allegedly paraffin. However the smell of paraffin and jet a1 tells me that they have a bit of aromatics,, naptha? in it?
Bottom line, I buy the garage kerosene at 63 p a ltr. The eber burns it great, when i did my article i used a similar substance called paraffin, it didn't smell or feel like the esso blue that i used to know, it smelled and felt like the kerosene i buy from the garage. My eber d3 has lived on it for the last two winters, it is half the price of red diesel from the marina. I buy 10ltrs at a time in a plastic bidon, I unhook the inlet from the tick tick pump and put it in the bidon so that it goes to the bottom. Tick tick tick and away she goes, half price, nice clean combustion chamber and nice and toastie!
Stu

Kerosene and the UK equivalent Parafin are generic terms for a particular range of fractions extracted during refinement. Kerosene used to be a trademark but became a generic term in the US a long time ago. Basically it's what you get when you distill crude oil at a particular temperature range. VicS will correct me if I've got any of that wrong I'm sure.

Jet A-1 is kerosine/parafin to a very specific specification and is used by almost all commercial jets (though military jets will run on it fine and often do when they have to divert to a civvie airfield). The NATO military equivalent is F-34, which is actually Jet A - whereas Jet A-1 is F-35. I think there's small differences in additives and waxing temperatures but the big difference is in Specific Gravity, which is critical when fuelling aircraft. I think Jet A/F-34 is JP-4 in US military speak and Jet A1/F-35 is JP-8 in US military speak but can't remember for sure. You can get a special jet fuel for carrier use which has a much higher flashpoint but otherwise I think most parafins have about the same flashpoint as diesel and contain around the same amount of chemical energy.

Esso Blue and other commercial parafins and kerosenes are all different to the aviation fuels as they lack a whole bunch of additives required by the military and by the commercial aviation world. I doubt if any of the additives would be a problem in an Eberspecher though and could improve it. Jet fuel is much like the diesel we buy at the pumps in that sense though I don't think low-sulphur or bio are in wide spread use yet.

 

[Heckler]

Kerosene and the UK equivalent Parafin are generic terms for a particular range of fractions extracted during refinement. Kerosene used to be a trademark but became a generic term in the US a long time ago. Basically it's what you get when you distill crude oil at a particular temperature range. VicS will correct me if I've got any of that wrong I'm sure.

Jet A-1 is kerosine/parafin to a very specific specification and is used by almost all commercial jets (though military jets will run on it fine and often do when they have to divert to a civvie airfield). The NATO military equivalent is F-34, which is actually Jet A - whereas Jet A-1 is F-35. I think there's small differences in additives and waxing temperatures but the big difference is in Specific Gravity, which is critical when fuelling aircraft. I think Jet A/F-34 is JP-4 in US military speak and Jet A1/F-35 is JP-8 in US military speak but can't remember for sure. You can get a special jet fuel for carrier use which has a much higher flashpoint but otherwise I think most parafins have about the same flashpoint as diesel and contain around the same amount of chemical energy.

Esso Blue and other commercial parafins and kerosenes are all different to the aviation fuels as they lack a whole bunch of additives required by the military and by the commercial aviation world. I doubt if any of the additives would be a problem in an Eberspecher though and could improve it. Jet fuel is much like the diesel we buy at the pumps in that sense though I don't think low-sulphur or bio are in wide spread use yet.

Angola, late 70s, Allouette3 choppers, wonderful overpowered things. The frog pilots were vgood and used to let me take the stick sometimes. We were a long way away from civilisation and I asked what would happen if we ran out of JetA1, he said that they could use gasoil in an emergency BUT couldn't use full power because the turbine would overheat, makes sense really, the heavier the fuel the more kilowatts per gram has always been the rule. The gasoil we used came from the refinery in Luanda, heavy brown and stunk of sulphur in the exhausts!
Stu