Eastern Adriatic - Croatia and more

Floating line for taking line ashore

Next question is whether to buy some floating line to facilitate taking a stern line ashore. I have seen quite a few yachts in the Sicilian marina with a reel in the stern rail.

How commonly is this done in the Adriatic? How long a line should I get? What size should I get (49 ft and 22tons)? Is is cheaper to buy the line in the UK and take it out?

TudorSailor
 
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That is a great list of restaurants. Thanks. My wife is also a veggie so it's important to try and find good ones.

In regard to the moorings and free anchorages, have you been there in the last two years? I haven't but according to posts the good anchorages have been filled with mooring bouy's and it is not not allowed to anchor within 100 meters of the field. We spent last summer in the west med though and pretty much anything will be cheaper.

I'll be in Croatia for three weeks this summer and am pretty excited.
 
Spent summer 2012 in Croatia.
Good points(not in order): 'cheap' diesel and beer and also house wine which is reasonable,food fine if you eat meat and fish - also not expensive,weather great with good forcasting,good winds - twice made big passages NW towards the end of NE boras,lots of interesting and varied stops,pleasant people - the odd 'dragon' in marina reception,plentiful safe and free anchorages - even just outside Trogir and Pula marinas!,excellent budget airline service from UK including to Monfalcone (Trieste) for best overwintering.
Bad points:possibly the booking in/out business and the tarifs but these are often over stated, can't remember any others 3 months on and this early in the morning!

In other words a super cruising area which should not be missed. I will pass once more N to S this summer to 'do' Greece and beyond but for sure will return one day.
 
sigmasailor said:
We visited some 12 islands and places around Kremik. We mostly enjoyed Vis. I know very well what I will be missing: an unhappy vegetarian wife...
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Yes thats a nice cruise that you did and I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it. Certainly having a vegetarian wife might be tricky in Croatia especially as there isn't a great selection of fruit and veg in the supermarkets either
 
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Yes thats a nice cruise that you did and I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it. Certainly having a vegetarian wife might be tricky in Croatia especially as there isn't a great selection of fruit and veg in the supermarkets either
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I'm not saying we didn't enjoy it. It's just that we didn't enjoy it that much to go back for more. There are other areas to be discovered. Croatia is not the country for vegetarians (unless you want to live in potatoes, pasta and pizza with tomato's). Will book a trip to Turkey this weekend.
 
tudorsailor said:
How commonly is this done in the Adriatic? How long a line should I get? What size should I get (49 ft and 22tons)? Is is cheaper to buy the line in the UK and take it out?
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It's very common in Croatia; in fact it's almost essential to be able to tie 1 or more lines to the shore for 2 reasons. Firstly, the holding in many anchorages is poor with stony/rocky seabeds and secondly, in some popular anchorages, you need to be able to do it to find an anchoring spot. Actually it's a very efficient way of anchoring because boats don't swing and therefore more boats can anchor in an anchorage.
Yes, you can buy floating line out there but we took 2 x blue polypropylene lines, 100m long each, from the UK in a suitcase because it was cheaper. A length of hose to wrap around the rope to protect it from chafing on rocks or better, a length of chain to loop around a rock or tree is a good idea. We don't have reels and handling the lines is an issue; we find we need 2 people to do it, one swimming or rowing ashore with the lines and one feeding the lines out from the boat. Also you need some swimming shoes because the rocks on the shore can be sharp and there are spiny sea urchins just below the waterline. I'm going to be looking at a better way of handling our shore lines this year such as reels or buckets as the whole process is a bit of a palaver
 
Palarran said:
In regard to the moorings and free anchorages, have you been there in the last two years? I haven't but according to posts the good anchorages have been filled with mooring bouy's and it is not not allowed to anchor within 100 meters of the field. We spent last summer in the west med though and pretty much anything will be cheaper.

I'll be in Croatia for three weeks this summer and am pretty excited.
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Yes, I read those comments but it's not my experience. Yes, a few popular anchorages have been filled with mooring buoys and a charge is made for using them but there are far more good anchorages without mooring buoys than there are with them. I only recall paying once last season. Yes, if you venture into a national park (eg Kornati) you will get fleeced for a daily charge but that gives you the right to anchor or pick up a buoy anywhere in the park. All in all, we find anchoring in Croatia a pretty relaxed experience compared to say, the Balearics, simply because there are so many islands and anchorages that you can always find somewhere that is peaceful and uncrowded, even in high season. It is especially important though to keep an eye on the weather forecast as strong winds, particularly the sometimes ferocious NE Bora wind, can make anchoring untenable in many anchorages. Certainly, we, as a mobo with a lot of windage, are best tied up in a marina when a Bora blows through
 
Palarran said:
In regard to the moorings and free anchorages, have you been there in the last two years? I haven't but according to posts the good anchorages have been filled with mooring bouy's and it is not not allowed to anchor within 100 meters of the field.
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Mooring franchises have been set up in some of the more popular anchorages, and anchoring close to the mooring field is often not permitted. However, there are many hundreds of anchorages untouched by mooring concessions. One of my web site contributors has mapped out the mooring concessions, and another has listed offbeat anchorages. Both are on Google map links, given in the second paragraph of the page describing Dalmatia cruising at: http://jimbsail.info/mediterranean/adriatic/dalmatia

They've produced really useful maps!
 
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Yes, I read those comments but it's not my experience. Yes, a few popular anchorages have been filled with mooring buoys and a charge is made for using them but there are far more good anchorages without mooring buoys than there are with them. I only recall paying once last season. Yes, if you venture into a national park (eg Kornati) you will get fleeced for a daily charge but that gives you the right to anchor or pick up a buoy anywhere in the park.
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I have to agree with Mike. Outside the National Parks we probably pay for 1 anchorage in 6 and only then because we choose to pay as we want to anchor close to the Kamerlengo Tower in Trogir, say, rather than dinghy across from half a mile away.

If you prefer to stay in marinas then I can understand why you might be concerned about Croatia but if you prefer to anchor then please keep Croatia on your wish list!

Richard
 
jimbaerselman said:
One of my web site contributors has mapped out the mooring concessions, and another has listed offbeat anchorages. Both are on Google map links, given in the second paragraph of the page describing Dalmatia cruising at: http://jimbsail.info/mediterranean/adriatic/dalmatia

They've produced really useful maps!
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Yup, those maps are v useful. We have visited a number of the locations marked on Wasamma's excellent map but I look at some of these places differently. Many are small harbours rather than anchorages and actually in such places, I don't mind paying a few Kuna to hang off a buoy overnight because then I worry less about the anchor dragging or the boat swinging against other boats so for me, a mooring buoy in these places attracts me to visit rather than deters me. I agree though that with other locations (eg Kakan), I don't see any reason why mooring buoys are necessary unless there are issues with protecting the seabed
 
Barnac1e said:
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Not to my knowledge. The only chart tidal streams shown in all paper and electronic charts of the Adriatic that I have seen are in the open sea, not in the lagoons. And naturally, they are all relatively so weak as to be ignored.

I even have an old set of lagoon charts covering the entire Italian NE but none show channel currents.

In all practicable terms they are not necessary. So long as you know the tidal states, height/depth, flood/ebb and times of, it is possible to navigate the channels, where the flow usually follows. It can become tricky where cross-flow occurs, you just have to keep a very sharp observation of your course and track and steer accordingly.

The Venice Lagoon channels are well marked and deep, they are really no problem.
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Partly answered my own question. The official source of Venice tidal data has an app for both iPhone and Android. The web link is here or search for "hi!tide venice" on your phone/tablet

TudorSailor
 
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I wrote a while ago about spending summer in Croatia, now settled on Dubrovnik for 2 months, then we will be moving on, anyone got anything to say about Dubrovnik?? Does anyone liveaboard in Dubrovnik? Thanks for you help.
 
Loobyt said:
anyone got anything to say about Dubrovnik?
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we have spend 10 summers (4weeks each) in Dubrovnic area, and after 2 seasons not going there, the family still has homesickness :)

about the old city:
- sitting and relaxing on a terras in Stradun (the main street) was heaven for us
- same for a terras or restaurant in the old harbour
- exceptional vieuw from the mountain top, using the new téléphérique
Up there is a small museum with pictures from the war
- A walk all around on the wall you need to do once
- there are some famous old buildings in the city, if you fancy that sort of activity (not me)

places to go with the boat:
- Sunj (sand beach on the south of island Lopud)
- North of Island Sipan, and nearby anchorages near Jakljan and Olipa (very nice and quite)
- restaurant Nico, in Kobas, south of the peninsula Peljesac (sea arm to Ston)
- Cavtat, village 10 miles south of Dubrovnic (also possible by bus or by Car, 20km)
according some, the nicest village on the adriatic coast, compare with Saint Tropez
- Mlini, kozy small village in Zupa Bay, half way between Dubrovnic and Cavtat

many more, but that's all now 2,5 years ago. :)
 
Bart, you're making me want to get in my boat straightaway and head south;)
 
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