jimi
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Anybody any plans?
Easter is upon us soon
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Ohdrat
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Tied up with someone else's horses (don't ask!)
Aardee
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Down the coast to Brighton for the weekend (weather permitting...).
You off anywhere nice??
You off anywhere nice??
starboard
Active member
Easter......early this year is it not??? never understand why it is not the same date every year AKA Christmas Day?? Weather up here today very Easter like though blue sky and warm sun after a frosty start...not much use though as I am busy plastering a ceiling...may manage a cycle to the boat this PM though..
Paul.
Paul.
Aardee
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Supplementary Question
I've always wondered (but never enough to actually research it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) who decides when Easter will be. How do they decide, and how many years in advance is it done. Does it follow a set formula...?
I blame my atheist upbringing.
Graham.
I've always wondered (but never enough to actually research it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) who decides when Easter will be. How do they decide, and how many years in advance is it done. Does it follow a set formula...?
I blame my atheist upbringing.
Graham.
clouty
New member
Re: Supplementary Question
Tis the Easter Regatta at Sunny Shoreham this year.
ll:Up Spinnaker Gybe Spinnaker Down Spinnaker Beat Pack Spinnaker:ll
Yay! Here comes the season!
Tis the Easter Regatta at Sunny Shoreham this year.
ll:Up Spinnaker Gybe Spinnaker Down Spinnaker Beat Pack Spinnaker:ll
Yay! Here comes the season!
jhr
Well-known member
Re: Supplementary Question
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I've always wondered (but never enough to actually research it ) who decides when Easter will be. How do they decide, and how many years in advance is it done. Does it follow a set formula...?
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I can never remember, but I think it's linked to the phases of the moon and that Good Friday is the first Friday after something or other (new moon? full moon? Dunno).
IIRC, there's also a theory that the sky went black on Good Friday because there was a total eclipse of the sun. This allowed the boffins to calculate the phase of the moon at the time of the crucifixion, Easter always follows the lunar calendar etc. etc.
Sorry - loads of uninformed and speculative tosh. But this is the Internet, after all.............
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I've always wondered (but never enough to actually research it ) who decides when Easter will be. How do they decide, and how many years in advance is it done. Does it follow a set formula...?
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I can never remember, but I think it's linked to the phases of the moon and that Good Friday is the first Friday after something or other (new moon? full moon? Dunno).
IIRC, there's also a theory that the sky went black on Good Friday because there was a total eclipse of the sun. This allowed the boffins to calculate the phase of the moon at the time of the crucifixion, Easter always follows the lunar calendar etc. etc.
Sorry - loads of uninformed and speculative tosh. But this is the Internet, after all.............
Sybarite
Well-known member
Re: Supplementary Question
Easter Day is the first Sunday after the full moon that occurs next after the vernal equinox, is not a precise statement of the actual ecclesiastical rules. The full moon involved is not the astronomical Full Moon but an ecclesiastical moon (determined from tables) that keeps, more or less, in step with the astronomical Moon.
The ecclesiastical rules are:
Easter falls on the first Sunday following the first ecclesiastical full moon that occurs on or after the day of the vernal equinox;
this particular ecclesiastical full moon is the 14th day of a tabular lunation (new moon); and
the vernal equinox is fixed as March 21.
resulting in that Easter can never occur before March 22 or later than April 25. The Gregorian dates for the ecclesiastical full moon come from the Gregorian tables. Therefore, the civil date of Easter depends upon which tables - Gregorian or pre-Gregorian - are used. The western (Roman Catholic and Protestent) Christian churches use the Gregorian tables; many eastern (Orthodox) Christian churches use the older tables based on the Julian Calendar.
In a congress held in 1923, the eastern churches adopted a modified Gregorian Calendar and decided to set the date of Easter according to the astronomical Full Moon for the meridian of Jerusalem. However, a variety of practices remain among the eastern churches.
There are three major differences between the ecclesiastical system and the astronomical system.
The times of the ecclesiastical full moons are not necessarily identical to the times of astronomical Full Moons. The ecclesiastical tables did not account for the full complexity of the lunar motion.
The vernal equinox has a precise astronomical definition determined by the actual motion of the Sun. It is the precise time at which the apparent longitude of the Sun is zero degrees. This precise time shifts within the civil calendar very slightly from year to year. In the ecclesiastical system the vernal equinox does not shift; it is fixed at March 21 regardless of the actual motion of the Sun.
The date of Easter is a specific calendar date. Easter starts when that date starts for your local time zone. The vernal equinox occurs at a specific date and time all over the Earth at once.
Inevitably, then, the date of Easter occasionally differs from a date that depends on the astronomical Full Moon and vernal equinox. In some cases this difference may occur in some parts of the world and not in others because two dates separated by the International Date Line are always simultaneously in progress on the Earth.
For example, take the year 1962. In 1962, the astronomical Full Moon occurred on March 21, UT=7h 55m - about six hours after astronomical equinox. The ecclesiastical full moon (taken from the tables), however, occured on March 20, before the fixed ecclesiastical equinox at March 21. In the astronomical case, the Full Moon followed its equinox; in the ecclesiastical case, it preceeded its equinox. Following the rules, Easter, therefore, was not until the Sunday that followed the next ecclesiastical full moon (Wednesday, April 18) making Easter Sunday, April 22.
Similarly, in 1954 the first ecclesiastical full moon after March 21 fell on Saturday, April 17. Thus, Easter was Sunday, April 18. The astronomical equinox also occurred on March 21. The next astronomical Full Moon occurred on April 18 at UT=5h. So in some places in the world Easter was on the same Sunday as the astronomical Full Moon.
Simple in'it ?
John
Easter Day is the first Sunday after the full moon that occurs next after the vernal equinox, is not a precise statement of the actual ecclesiastical rules. The full moon involved is not the astronomical Full Moon but an ecclesiastical moon (determined from tables) that keeps, more or less, in step with the astronomical Moon.
The ecclesiastical rules are:
Easter falls on the first Sunday following the first ecclesiastical full moon that occurs on or after the day of the vernal equinox;
this particular ecclesiastical full moon is the 14th day of a tabular lunation (new moon); and
the vernal equinox is fixed as March 21.
resulting in that Easter can never occur before March 22 or later than April 25. The Gregorian dates for the ecclesiastical full moon come from the Gregorian tables. Therefore, the civil date of Easter depends upon which tables - Gregorian or pre-Gregorian - are used. The western (Roman Catholic and Protestent) Christian churches use the Gregorian tables; many eastern (Orthodox) Christian churches use the older tables based on the Julian Calendar.
In a congress held in 1923, the eastern churches adopted a modified Gregorian Calendar and decided to set the date of Easter according to the astronomical Full Moon for the meridian of Jerusalem. However, a variety of practices remain among the eastern churches.
There are three major differences between the ecclesiastical system and the astronomical system.
The times of the ecclesiastical full moons are not necessarily identical to the times of astronomical Full Moons. The ecclesiastical tables did not account for the full complexity of the lunar motion.
The vernal equinox has a precise astronomical definition determined by the actual motion of the Sun. It is the precise time at which the apparent longitude of the Sun is zero degrees. This precise time shifts within the civil calendar very slightly from year to year. In the ecclesiastical system the vernal equinox does not shift; it is fixed at March 21 regardless of the actual motion of the Sun.
The date of Easter is a specific calendar date. Easter starts when that date starts for your local time zone. The vernal equinox occurs at a specific date and time all over the Earth at once.
Inevitably, then, the date of Easter occasionally differs from a date that depends on the astronomical Full Moon and vernal equinox. In some cases this difference may occur in some parts of the world and not in others because two dates separated by the International Date Line are always simultaneously in progress on the Earth.
For example, take the year 1962. In 1962, the astronomical Full Moon occurred on March 21, UT=7h 55m - about six hours after astronomical equinox. The ecclesiastical full moon (taken from the tables), however, occured on March 20, before the fixed ecclesiastical equinox at March 21. In the astronomical case, the Full Moon followed its equinox; in the ecclesiastical case, it preceeded its equinox. Following the rules, Easter, therefore, was not until the Sunday that followed the next ecclesiastical full moon (Wednesday, April 18) making Easter Sunday, April 22.
Similarly, in 1954 the first ecclesiastical full moon after March 21 fell on Saturday, April 17. Thus, Easter was Sunday, April 18. The astronomical equinox also occurred on March 21. The next astronomical Full Moon occurred on April 18 at UT=5h. So in some places in the world Easter was on the same Sunday as the astronomical Full Moon.
Simple in'it ?
John
AlexL
Member
Re: Supplementary Question
Slow day today? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Slow day today? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Aardee
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Re: Supplementary Question
Thanks jhr & John.
I knew there'd be a simple explanation /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Thanks jhr & John.
I knew there'd be a simple explanation /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
silvertop
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Re: Supplementary Question
often wondered what other people did over easter holidays. jees /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
often wondered what other people did over easter holidays. jees /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
paulineb
Active member
Re: Supplementary Question
So when's Easter this year ?
So when's Easter this year ?
Aardee
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Re: Supplementary Question
Good Friday's 25th March...
Good Friday's 25th March...
mirabriani
New member
Re: Supplementary Question
Pauline you never fail....
To have the last word
To raise a smile
Regards Briani
Pauline you never fail....
To have the last word
To raise a smile
Regards Briani
claymore
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Off tae Courchevel from the 18th for wee bit suive doon ra pist
then up tae Melfort fer a bit o a do oan ra antifool
then up tae Melfort fer a bit o a do oan ra antifool
phanakapan
Well-known member
Eat lots of chocolate
Get boat into the water and sorted for-
Sailing it to Solent in time for....
Women only meet 9th April- get drunk, dance on tables at Folly etc etc
Get boat into the water and sorted for-
Sailing it to Solent in time for....
Women only meet 9th April- get drunk, dance on tables at Folly etc etc
BarryH
Active member
Yes, but it doesn't include the Fery inn in weymuff
Sybarite
Well-known member
Re: Supplementary Question
What is more difficult to calculate is if you ask the Scot's brigade what date summer is...
John
What is more difficult to calculate is if you ask the Scot's brigade what date summer is...
John
LadyInBed
Well-known member
Re: Supplementary Question
You can know too much about some things /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
You can know too much about some things /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Sammo
New member
Re: Supplementary Question
Going to Butlins for a 60`s weekend on the 4th with Seabourne YC, so have left aside the rest of the month to recover.
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the ego has landed
Going to Butlins for a 60`s weekend on the 4th with Seabourne YC, so have left aside the rest of the month to recover.
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the ego has landed