Easter Boating?

[TernVI]

The law prohibits the opening of a business that “consists of” providing holiday accommodation. A caravan site does, even, arguably, in the case of static privately owned vans, so must stay closed. Most marinas don’t - their business consists of providing parking for privately owned boats and thus they are not prohibited to open. If this distinction is wrong, marinas should not be open at all, whereas I understand that many (most?) are. Which suggests they believe the distinction is right, in which case there is no legal basis for them to prohibit overnight stays.

I'm sure you could find a barrister to take your cash to argue that.
Equally, the marina can argue they are entitled to aply whatever rules they like on their premises.
Many caravan sites also offer caravan storage. They are AIUI, shut for overnight stays until the 12th.

If your greatest concern at this point in time is being allowed to sleep on your boat in its home marina, I'd say the business you have with the marina is very much about holiday accommodation.
Why not go sailing in your floating caravan?

 

[stranded]

I'm sure you could find a barrister to take your cash to argue that.
Equally, the marina can argue they are entitled to aply whatever rules they like on their premises.
Many caravan sites also offer caravan storage. They are AIUI, shut for overnight stays until the 12th.

If your greatest concern at this point in time is being allowed to sleep on your boat in its home marina, I'd say the business you have with the marina is very much about holiday accommodation.
Why not go sailing in your floating caravan?

My concern is not sleeping on my boat in the marina, my concern is that we are as a country sleep walking into a situation where we cravenly accept serious restrictions on our freedom without the consent of our representatives in Parliament and even by private businesses. We are free to do what we wish unless constrained by law - that is not something we should lightly concede.

Your snide advice is noted, thank you.

 

[smert]

Freedoms are not being curtailed for Governmental shits and giggles. They are being curtailed for the benefit of the greater entire population. Do you actually believe that the Government wants to have the economy shutdown?

 

[lustyd]

Freedoms are not being curtailed for Governmental shits and giggles.

Not all of them, no. Certainly some though.

 

[TernVI]

My concern is not sleeping on my boat in the marina, my concern is that we are as a country sleep walking into a situation where we cravenly accept serious restrictions on our freedom without the consent of our representatives in Parliament and even by private businesses. We are free to do what we wish unless constrained by law - that is not something we should lightly concede.

Your snide advice is noted, thank you.

We are not so much 'sleep walking into' anything as stumbling out of it.
Your representatives in parliament are pretty much alligned behind the government, who are broadly alligned with all the other governments.
You are not entirely free to do anything in anyone else's marina, the owner has rights too.
He also has serious responsibilities to the public and employees.
You are really nit-picking a small point as to whether the marina is permitted to carry on the trade of allowing you to camp there, over a period of 2 weeks.
If you think sleeping the marina is that fundamental to the operation, you risk it being totally shut like a caravan site.
Bit of a moot point as nothing is going to change at this late hour.
Is your beef really with the marina or the government?

 

[DJE]

Why not take your boat somewhere quiet and anchor for the night? Lots of people did that last June in similar circumstances.

 

[stranded]

Why not take your boat somewhere quiet and anchor for the night? Lots of people did that last June in similar circumstances.

Whereas we didn’t because we obeyed the law. Just as we will this week.

 

[lustyd]

We are not so much 'sleep walking into' anything

Interesting. I recall a time where sovereignty of ones own body was assured, and we had the right to protest the actions of the government. Both of these are currently being stamped out by our government as fast as they can. I also recall a time when it would be considered abhorent for a government to track my every movement, we've see the end of that in recent times "for the greater good" and that was before they introduced an app which overtly records your every movement. When did it suddenly become OK for the ANPR traffic system to be abused by Police? I remember when trafficmaster was being installed and the engineers purposefully made the decision that they only used 4 characters of number plates in order to prevent misuse.
Freedoms I used to believe I could take for granted because I live in a free society have been wiped away without a second thought, probably permanently. The level of propaganda in the media has also increased exponentially in recent years to ensure we're all nice and scared of all the bogeymen we're supposed to be scared of, while casual and not so casual racism and xenophobia have escalated to a level where they are once again considered normal.
Finally, not all freedoms are so obvious. Our generation will be paying for decades for this government's spending habits. Their use of the word "billion" has become all too common with little to no justification most of the time. Inflation is about to skyrocket and everything you've worked hard for will become worth less as a result.

 

[stranded]

We are not so much 'sleep walking into' anything as stumbling out of it.
Your representatives in parliament are pretty much alligned behind the government, who are broadly alligned with all the other governments.
You are not entirely free to do anything in anyone else's marina, the owner has rights too.
He also has serious responsibilities to the public and employees.
You are really nit-picking a small point as to whether the marina is permitted to carry on the trade of allowing you to camp there, over a period of 2 weeks.
If you think sleeping the marina is that fundamental to the operation, you risk it being totally shut like a caravan site.
Bit of a moot point as nothing is going to change at this late hour.
Is your beef really with the marina or the government?

My ‘beef’ is with the erosion of fundamental freedoms. The thread is not about me, nor my marina, which has been eminently sensible throughout, I was responding to the OP.

As it happens, we will be leaving our marina berth this week and sailing round to our new river berth - a journey which, including the time it will take to set up trot mooring lines for the first time, will necessitate a night on board, probably at anchor. But that is entirely beside the point.

 

[DJE]

Whereas we didn’t because we obeyed the law. Just as we will this week.

Good for you!
At the time the law said that outdoor recreation was permissible for unlimited periods of time but that you should not stay away from home overnight (overnight was not defined). And the angling lobby had obtained guidance from DEFRA that overnight fishing was acceptable. So clearly there were different views on the exact meaning of the law.

Edit: But as of tomorrow there are no restrictions on travel with England. Just restrictions on gatherings. The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Steps) (England) Regulations 2021

 

[dom]

Good for you!
At the time the law said that outdoor recreation was permissible for unlimited periods of time but that you should not stay away from home overnight (overnight was not defined). And the angling lobby had obtained guidance from DEFRA that overnight fishing was acceptable. So clearly there were different views on the exact meaning of the law.

Edit: But as of tomorrow there are no restrictions on travel with England. Just restrictions on gatherings. The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Steps) (England) Regulations 2021

Hi DJE,
Where are you guys headed over Easter?

We might also be down but will stay close by - definitely bounded between Chichster and Lulworth.
Dom

 

[DJE]

Hi Dave,
Where are you guys headed over Easter?

We might also be down but will stay close by - definitely bounded between Chichster and Lulworth.
Mark

No idea yet. Depends which day we get launched and how we get on with the last few commissioning jobs. And we've got the huge novelty of drinks in our friends' garden on Sunday. Will keep in touch.

 

[ryanroberts]

As a liveaboard it has been quite a tricky winter, will be happy to be able to get the boat hauled out or actually go somewhere.

 

[DJE]

Step 1 - She's afloat again!

 

[longjohnsilver]

My ‘beef’ is with the erosion of fundamental freedoms. The thread is not about me, nor my marina, which has been eminently sensible throughout, I was responding to the OP.

As it happens, we will be leaving our marina berth this week and sailing round to our new river berth - a journey which, including the time it will take to set up trot mooring lines for the first time, will necessitate a night on board, probably at anchor. But that is entirely beside the point.

Just in case you haven’t seen it, new Dart HM back with a familiar message

LNTM 10-21 Covid-19 Compliance
Valid until further notice. This notice supersedes LNTM 09-21.



From Monday March 29th

The ‘stay at home’ rule ended on 29 March. However you will be required to return to the place which you normally live each night, unless for a permitted reason such as work.

Dart Harbour visitor facilities are open to short stay berthing, with no overnight stays allowed.

The Dart Harbour Yacht Taxi has resumed, with limited capacity, book in advance by calling the office on 01803 832337.

Face coverings must be worn when on the yacht taxi.

The rule of 6 applies which means that you can meet up outdoors with friends and family you do not live with, either:

• in a group of up to 6 from any number of households (children of all ages count towards the limit of 6)
• in a group of any size from up to two households (each household can include an existing support bubble, if eligible)

You must not meet indoors with anybody you do not live with or have formed a support bubble with (if you are eligible), or another legal exemption applies.



From Monday April 12th

It is expected that overnight stays will be allowed onboard boats and visitor facilities will reopen.

The Yacht Taxi will remain on a pre-booked service until further notice.

The Rule of 6 is expected to apply until 17th May at the earliest, As a result of this we will not be accepting bookings for rallies until after this date.





River Patrol and Office opening times will be as advertised on the Dart Harbour website.

Where possible all interaction with the office should carried out by Email – info@dartharbour.org, or Phone 01803 832337, this is to protect our staff and customers.

 

[Adios]

Just in case you haven’t seen it, new Dart HM back with a familiar message

The ‘stay at home’ rule ended on 29 March. However you will be required to return to the place which you normally live each night, unless for a permitted reason such as work.

Dart Harbour visitor facilities are open to short stay berthing, with no overnight stays allowed.

I wonder what they would do if they noticed someone staying completely harmlessly overnight on a boat

 

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I wonder what they would do if they noticed someone staying completely harmlessly overnight on a boat

You’d be put in the stocks and random people would throw vegetables at you.

 

[DJE]

Just in case you haven’t seen it, new Dart HM back with a familiar message

LNTM 10-21 Covid-19 Compliance
Valid until further notice. This notice supersedes LNTM 09-21.



From Monday March 29th

The ‘stay at home’ rule ended on 29 March. However you will be required to return to the place which you normally live each night, unless for a permitted reason such as work.

Dart Harbour visitor facilities are open to short stay berthing, with no overnight stays allowed.

There they go again enforcing the guidance and not the regulations. That is not a requirement it is a recommendation.

 

[dom]

Just in case you haven’t seen it, new Dart HM back with a familiar message

LNTM 10-21 Covid-19 Compliance
Valid until further notice. This notice supersedes LNTM 09-21.



From Monday March 29th

The ‘stay at home’ rule ended on 29 March. However you will be required to return to the place which you normally live each night, unless for a permitted reason such as work.

Dart Harbour visitor facilities are open to short stay berthing, with no overnight stays allowed.

The Dart Harbour Yacht Taxi has resumed, with limited capacity, book in advance by calling the office on 01803 832337.

Face coverings must be worn when on the yacht taxi.

The rule of 6 applies which means that you can meet up outdoors with friends and family you do not live with, either:

• in a group of up to 6 from any number of households (children of all ages count towards the limit of 6)
• in a group of any size from up to two households (each household can include an existing support bubble, if eligible)

You must not meet indoors with anybody you do not live with or have formed a support bubble with (if you are eligible), or another legal exemption applies.



From Monday April 12th

It is expected that overnight stays will be allowed onboard boats and visitor facilities will reopen.

The Yacht Taxi will remain on a pre-booked service until further notice.

The Rule of 6 is expected to apply until 17th May at the earliest, As a result of this we will not be accepting bookings for rallies until after this date.





River Patrol and Office opening times will be as advertised on the Dart Harbour website.

Where possible all interaction with the office should carried out by Email – info@dartharbour.org, or Phone 01803 832337, this is to protect our staff and customers.

As DJE says, there are so many errors in this over-eager interpretation of the law that it's hard to imagine a lawyer even proof read it, let alone drew it up.

However, probably best to avoid staying aboard in the area under control of the harbour authority and other than that, just ignore it.

It goes to show, give them an inch and these petty bureaucrats rush in to take a mile!

 

[Mark-1]

I plan to overnight on my boat from now on regardless of the law or the recommendations. Nobody bothered me at anchor last year, I'm sure this year will be the same.

However, I'm not convinced by the logic that "a second home is like a home and a boat is like a second home so it's legal to stay overnight on one" which seems to be the argument here. Can someone point me at a better source to convince me nights on the boat on a swinging mooring or anchored is legal?