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Hi all i'm new to this site and looking for advice. I own 2 20ft river boats at the moment and have spent many hours up and down the rivers. Now for the mad part i have just purchased a 31ft princess berthed in Plymouth and want to bring her home up the east coast to the Humber. I have no sea going experience so 1st of all am i MAD and 2nd what would be your choice of chart plotter/Fish finder cheers
 
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Hi all i'm new to this site and looking for advice. I own 2 20ft river boats at the moment and have spent many hours up and down the rivers. Now for the mad part i have just purchased a 31ft princess berthed in Plymouth and want to bring her home up the east coast to the Humber. I have no sea going experience so 1st of all am i MAD and 2nd what would be your choice of chart plotter/Fish finder cheers
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It's a perfectly doable trip with the right experience. As you may not have that I would suggest employing a delivery skip and maybe go along as crew or get an instructor on board and see f you can do a Day skipper practical whilst delivering it.
 
topcat1 said:
Hi all i'm new to this site and looking for advice. I own 2 20ft river boats at the moment and have spent many hours up and down the rivers. Now for the mad part i have just purchased a 31ft princess berthed in Plymouth and want to bring her home up the east coast to the Humber. I have no sea going experience so 1st of all am i MAD and 2nd what would be your choice of chart plotter/Fish finder cheers
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Can you please give us a few more details on your boat.
Model / year is helpful , I think I would consider the M1 route as the safest and cheapest option at this time of year.
 
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Hi there the boat is a princess 31 built mid 70s with twin penta 4 107 does anyone have any idea of the cost of sailing her up and what a skip would cost plus not setting off till mid April cheers topcat1
 
If that is the advert, the boat is a Project 31. I have cruised from the Solent back to the Humber .We were lucky had 4 good days on the trot that allowed the trip to happen.
I got an experience crew to help. If it were me I would contact Dougie @ Beverley Boat Services for price to bring it back by road. (I have used them on a number of occasions.If you need their number pm me)
 
"Reliability is going to be your biggest problem. Stick it on a truck"

.....100% agree and 5 knots or so all the way over that distance will be boring to say the least ?
 
topcat1 said:
Hi there the boat is a princess 31 built mid 70s with twin penta 4 107 does anyone have any idea of the cost of sailing her up and what a skip would cost plus not setting off till mid April cheers topcat1
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You will use between 1.5 and 2 gallons per hour and cruise about 7 knots. as for reliability, if it is well maintained with clean fuel and filters it will be more reliable than the modern tubo/electronic stuff that people on here are always having problems with.

I would agree with the recomendations for road transport and suggest you contact Deeping Direct http://www.deepingdirect.co.uk/ these handle a lot of boat moves for us and I would recomend them to anyone.
 
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Thanks all i think i'll take the M1 route but it would av been nice to sail her home cheers topcat1
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You have made a wise choice :)
The dream is 'nice'.
The reality of 100 nm across the Wash is not so 'nice', too far North for April ;)
 
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DAKA said:
You have made a wise choice :)
The dream is 'nice'.
The reality of 100 nm across the Wash is not so 'nice', too far North for April ;)
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Across the wash ? If there's not to much east or north the wash is fine, both my sons and I spent a lot of time in and around the wash plus you could call into wells for a rest before a run up past skeg
The last few years April has been kind re weather I'm expecting to be down the boat and out from wells for a few runs
Having said that, in an untried boat with no experience naaaa

cheers
Mick
 
Its a matter of time, if you are happy that the engines are reliable and you have 2 to 3 weeks maybe in May the trip could be a good one in day hops. Longest bit across Lyme bay but then 40 miles a day. Just because it is a mobo you dont have to go everywhere at 25Kns. Sail boats doing 4 - 5 knots have done this trip.
 
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Its a matter of time, if you are happy that the engines are reliable and you have 2 to 3 weeks maybe in May the trip could be a good one in day hops. Longest bit across Lyme bay but then 40 miles a day. Just because it is a mobo you dont have to go everywhere at 25Kns. Sail boats doing 4 - 5 knots have done this trip.
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Hi Bendyone,

The op has chosen the M1 route but in the interests of completeness.....

The Wash leg is 100 nm, Lowestoft to Grimsby some of which is 15 miles offshore, in a small boat no matter where the wind is from it is seldom calm unless you are happy with fog (ops boat doesnt have radar).

Despite mtb's enthusiasm for using Wells in the passage plan it is a little specialist not really for the novice (note mtb's avatar photo 20ft bilge keeler). ops boat can not dry and wells drys, most who visit do a recky by car and pleasure boat trip up the creek first, having done the recky and tourist trip several times I came to the conclusion that detouring to wells added 50 miles to a 100 mile crossing wasnt sensible or very safe unless you have a local on board.

On a lighter note here is an account of a Wash crossing from Gary who I took for his first sea passage from Grimsby to Dover a few months previously to this adventure making him the most experienced sailor on board :eek:
I have included job tittles so you can guestimate the companies hourly charge out rate would run into thousands of pounds and the low loader would have been cost effective (arguably less fun though):D .
Ships Log 28th February

- 33 ft Yacht

Crew:
Brian - Data Centre Manager
Mark - Data Centre Technical Manager
Gary - Instinct Remote Delivery Manager
Martyn - Facilities Engineer
Chris - Brian's Friend
John - Martyn's Friend.

Objective - Deliver Brian's new boat from Levington (nr Ipswich) to its new
home in Grimsby.

* Friday PM get together to discuss plan. I advise against going due to poor
weather forecast.
* They decide they're going anyway so I agree to go to try to keep them
safe.
* Saturday morning in Levington, weather is good, - forecast not too good
but not too bad.
* Brian discovers he's left the boats compass at home but it's ok he's got a
GPS and electronic compass on board.
* We set off.
* Saturday - good sail - cold but sunny.
* Wind on the nose as we turn North - start engine
* Mark gets sea sick - applies bucket to face
* Night arrives
* We are 10 mls off shore, up the Norfolk coast - no harbours suitable for
shelter - next available port - Grimsby.
* Wind F6 from the North and we're beating into it for most of the journey
* Weather not exactly as forecast.
* Sea Moderate to Rough - 5-10 mtr waves.
* Occasional clear skies - very cold.- except when it:
* Rains - no great problem - we're wearing 6 layers of clothing, inc 2
thermal layers and proper marine waterproofs
* Hails - that hurts - put on ski goggles so you can see.
* Snows - you can only just see past the end of the boat. So thick that the
boats nearly hits a huge Cardinal buoy, 12 ft high, 8ft wide, painted black
& yellow, complete with flashing light,
* The cabin leaks - there is no dry space below - no heating and the temp
leaves plenty to be desired. I decide to get a couple of hours sleep before
we get into the shoal waters.
* Get woken up to identify some strange lights - a couple of bloody huge gas
rigs - not on the chart but easy to identify by means of the big square
shape, with loads of lights and a pointy top - go back to bed.
* Get woken up again because we appear to be on collision course with a ship
that probably hasn't seen us. Tell them to steer around the bloody thing -
go back to bed.
* Cold and wet - decide I might as well get up anyway.
* The electronic gadgets start to fail - every time the boat bounces off the
top of a wave and crashes into the next one, the GPS resets itself and the
lights go out intermittently on the other instruments, which gives the
appearance that they've all failed. Fall back is a Silva walking compass.
* "Erratic Eric" - the Autohelm, does its own thing when the GPS resets,
including at least one 180 deg turn.
* Now very carefully manual plotting on the paper charts and watching our
progress carefully on the Maptech charts and my hand held GPS, luckily these
are independent of the boats electronics.
* We are now approaching shoal waters, 4 - 5 mtrs depth, 10mls offshore, the
boat has a daft of 2mtrs, the waves are huge. I advise going round - it
might be longer but it will be a lot safer. Brian wants to go with his
original plan - It's going to get rough.
* One wave picks me up from one side of the cockpit, throws me 6ft in the
air and dumps me on top of Mark on the other side of the boat- breaking his
glasses. Lucky we were both wearing harnesses
* Same wave throws Martyn out of his seat across the cabin into the stove -
which breaks out of its gimbals on several occasions during the night when
people fall on it.
* It's snowing and so dark outside you can't see anything anyway so we head
for the gap in the shoals (between Race Bank & Dugeon Shoal) using a compass
bearing & waypoint on the GPS and hold on.
* Everyone begins to believe that it's getting serious when I ask them to
get out of their bunks, put on full gear and life jackets and get the
life-raft out of the fore-cabin so we can launch it quickly if needed.
* We manage to clear the shoals, (don't know how) - it's deep water now, so
we're safe enough but it's still uncomfortable with the high seas running.
* It gets light, the wind starts to drop but the seas are still running
quite high.
* Mark still has a bucket pressed to his face - I didn't realise one body
could produce so much vomit.
* Sun comes out.
* Mark stops throwing up.
* Mid day Sunday - Arrive in Grimsby - all in one piece (just)!
* Eat bacon butties & discuss what a pleasurable experience it's been.
* And they call this fun!!!!

* Should we have put this in the company risk register?
 
I disagree with you daka

QUOTE=DAKA;2414366]Hi Bendyone,

( The op has chosen the M1 route but in the interests of completeness.....

The Wash leg is 100 nm, Lowestoft to Grimsby some of which is 15 miles offshore, in a small boat no matter where the wind is from it is seldom calm unless you are happy with fog (ops boat doesnt have radar).

Despite mtb's enthusiasm for using Wells in the passage plan it is a little specialist not really for the novice (note mtb's avatar photo 20ft bilge keeler). ops boat can not dry and wells drys, most who visit do a recky by car and pleasure boat trip up the creek first, having done the recky and tourist trip several times I came to the conclusion that detouring to wells added 50 miles to a 100 mile crossing wasnt sensible or very safe unless you have a local on board. )

After reading what you wrote it Sounds to me like you were out of your depth mate

Wells is not as you think or would have people believe
(a little specialist not really for the novice ) !
try reading http://www.wellsharbour.co.uk/getin.htm visitors to wells with craft of all shapes and sizes stop over. The harbour staff do a marvelous job looking after visitors. The channels are well marked and directions simple enough, if all that isnt enough the Harbour Launch will on request guide in visitors
It's around 52 nm to grimsby from wells. I have spent years in and around the wash and east coast in every thing from 20ft to 65ft in all weathers including night passages,there are many places that are in my view more hazardous.

wells has quite a queue of people trying to get a mooring and not all are bilge keeled WONDER WHY ?

rant over

Mick
 
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