e7 plotter, AIS receiver, NMEA 0183

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Our plotter stopped showing AIS targets towards the end of last season. Winter project…

With 12V applied the AIS receiver (Comar AIS-2-NMEA) did not illuminate its power LED. Comar were very helpful and suggested that short of buying a new unit (this one is no longer supported) I check a 500mA fuse on the circuit board. Sure enough it was open circuit, so replaced that and now with 12V applied the green power LED comes on and the 2 red comms LEDs come on for ~10s as per the installation instructions.

With unit installed back in the boat the e7 plotter shows ‘no AIS’ in its status bar. It looks to me as though with NMEA 0183 there is only one relevant sentence (!AIVDM) which the receiver transmits to the plotter. So am I right in thinking that if no AIS transmissions are received by the receiver then plotter will not be aware that an AIS receiver is connected?

On similar lines, the Lighthouse manual has instructions for enabling AIS which include going to System Settings->External Devices->AIS Unit Setup - but I don’t see AIS Unit Setup as an option. How would the plotter know to show this option if it can’t tell whether an AIS unit is actually connected?

The e7 manual says to connect the AIS receiver to port 1 (which has input/output) but in my case I’m pretty sure it’s connected to port 2 (input only) - I say pretty sure because the baud rates are set to 4800 for port 1 and 38400 for port 2, and the receiver is configured for 38400. I don’t see that matters since the AIS receiver won’t expect to receive sentences from the plotter, so a receive only port on the plotter should be OK? The configuration was working before the fuse in the receiver failed.
 
Baggy is on same thought as me ... why did fuse blow ? Its a fair thought that maybe when fuse went - something else went ... or when new fuse put it and powered up ... zap !

Interesting question though about whether you know AIS sentence is being received when there are no targets ...

Is there no way to display the NMEA IN sentences on the E7 ?? If not then maybe use a tablet or PC with a comms program that displays NMEA streams ? Most PC plotter progs will have a menu item that shows the received stream ... even the free plotter prog : Seaclear : will show NMEA IN and OUT.
 
I’m aware that whatever caused the fuse to blow may have rendered the unit u/s, but before splashing out on a new one I’m trying to determine whether it really is u/s. The red LEDs don’t flash to indicate incoming data, but that may just because there is nothing in range (nothing showing on VesselFinder etc), hence looking at it from the plotter end and trying to determine whether it’s possible to glean something from that.

An hour or so of Googling has found anecdotal evidence that ‘No AIS’ on the status bar doesn’t mean “AIS not connected”, it just means nothing being received. Also the documentation I’ve found for NMEA 0183 (https://digitalyacht.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Non-Idiots-Guide-to-AIS-for-the-BMEA.pdf) indicates that the only transmission from the AIS unit is when it gets data from a vessel - so how is the plotter supposed to know that AIS is connected if there is no transmission? This contradicts some of the doc in the Lighthouse manual. So I’m just wondering if anyone has some real knowledge of this stuff.

I could lash up an RS232 connection to a PC running Hyperterm but again if there is nothing for the AIS to receive then that won’t tell me anything. Maybe I should try it the other way and concoct a valid !AIVDM sentence to send to the plotter from Hyperterm, but then if it shows nothing I won’t know whether I’ve cocked up the RS232 wiring (only 2 options I suppose), the sentence or the comms config in Hyperterm.
 
As previously said, something caused the fuse to "POP" Sometimes you will find that something simple like a capacitor going TU will blow the fuse but will not blow the replacement fuse. If you can look inside the unit, possibly using a some magnification, a phone camera can sometimes be useful! You may be able to see if a component looks damaged. I would have a good look there first. May be relatively simple to replace a component.
As for the unit talking to the plotter, you will have to be sure you are receiving, on that note, have you confirmed that the antenna is OK? The fault could be there!
Also it may just be possible that the units have lost "Comms" and you may have to go through the initial set up.
In short you may have more that one problem, sorry! I would suggest starting with the board and components, then aerial, then confirm reception and so on.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I did look over the components on the circuit board. The aerial feed comes from a splitter which also feeds the VHF which does work, that’s not a guarantee that the feed to the AIS is good of course, maybe I can swap them over.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I did look over the components on the circuit board. The aerial feed comes from a splitter which also feeds the VHF which does work, that’s not a guarantee that the feed to the AIS is good of course, maybe I can swap them over.

Most splitters will not allow swap over of connections .. due to the power differences .... AIS of 2W / 5W .... VHF of up to 25W.
 
Most splitters will not allow swap over of connections .. due to the power differences .... AIS of 2W / 5W .... VHF of up to 25W.
Doesn't that apply to transmit, I think the op is receive only? However, yes you are absolutely correct some have different connections etc. Will depend on what he has.
 
Doesn't that apply to transmit, I think the op is receive only? However, yes you are absolutely correct some have different connections etc. Will depend on what he has.

My splitter has VHF connectors for all 3 .. so they could be swapped - but must never press the TX on the VHF if swapped ... RX would not be a problem I reckon ...
The question is - if its an active splitter - does it amplify on RX ?? If it does - I would be reluctant to swap over.

TBH - the best way is to just unplug splitter and connect direct without ...
 
My splitter has VHF connectors for all 3 .. so they could be swapped - but must never press the TX on the VHF if swapped ... RX would not be a problem I reckon ...
The question is - if its an active splitter - does it amplify on RX ?? If it does - I would be reluctant to swap over.

TBH - the best way is to just unplug splitter and connect direct without ...
Yup! Fully agree. That would eliminate the splitter from the equation as he knows that his vhf and therefore aerial are OK.
 
The vast majority of splitters use BNC connectors for the AIS, making it impossible to swap the cables.

Power differences might be one reason with transceivers, but i suspect a more important consideration would be signal priority, you wouldn't want the AIS to transmit whilst making an important VHF transmission.

Receive only splitters are different, still mostly using BNC for AIS, but the internal workings are entirely different and much simpler. You basically only need to keep the VHF transmit signal from going into the AIS receiver.
 
Receive only ??

Forgive my 'ignorance' but surely there are only two types :

Active (powered with amplifier built in)
Passive (unpowered that just split without any amplification).

Both are TX / Rx units ????
 
Receive only ??

Forgive my 'ignorance' but surely there are only two types :

Active (powered with amplifier built in)
Passive (unpowered that just split without any amplification).

Both are TX / Rx units ????
Receive only AIS, doesn't transmit (obviously), so the splitter is different to one for a transceiver.

You can use a splitter designed for RX/TX with a RX only AIS, but not vice-versa.
 
Receive only AIS, doesn't transmit (obviously), so the splitter is different to one for a transceiver.

You can use a splitter designed for RX/TX with a RX only AIS, but not vice-versa.

TBH - I've never seen a Rx only Splitter .... that's why I asked.

As to Rx only AIS ... I have a PC USB AIS Rx unit - so well aware. Sadly guy who designed and produced them - I tested for him while doing Ship to Ship work ... passed away .. and I believe no more of his very good design were produced.

Interesting - just googled and up came Comar unit ...

Wondering why need to produce such ... given that a Tx / RX splitter will work fine ...

Oh well - live and learn.
 
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